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DBSTalk Exclusive First Look: HR34-700 Home Media Center HD DVR


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#151 OFFLINE   Sgt. Slaughter

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:21 AM

Except that it isn't on the market yet.

It will probably be the best DIRECTV DVR on the market once it becomes "on the market". The market is already populated with similarly functional DVRs from FIOS, AT&T and Comcast (AnyRoom DVR). One might give a slight practical advantage to the Comcast unit as each client is a fully functional receiver so it doesn't consume a DVR tuner to watch live TV.

For $400 + a yet-to-be-announced monthly fee, it needs to be awfully good.

It will be interesting to see how it all works out once populated with client devices (assuming such clients make an appearance in appreciable quantities).


But do any of theirs offer 5 turners like the HR34 does or they have PIP either?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:25 AM

Just so I have this straight, there are 5 different streaming options from the HR34:

1. Stream to another HR device with MRV (benefit is local tuner and local trick play for live tv and local recordings, downside is that from the HR, you can't control the recordings of the HR 34)

2. Stream to another H device (benefit is local tuner and you can control recordings of HR34, downside is no trick play for live tv using local tuner).


Correct on both.

3. Stream to an RVU device (benefit is trick play for live tv and control of recordings on HR34, downside is no local tuner (but generally a moot point since 5 tuners in HR34)


Correct

4. Stream to PC (can only view recorded programs (although that could include a "live" recording, no control of recordings on HR34)

5. Stream to Nomad


Correct on both.

From what I understand, there are a maximum of 3 streams for all 5 options above, and items 1 - 4 are on a first-come, first serve basis. I.e., if you try under any of the first 4 options to get a stream and 3 are in use, you'll get a busy signal.


Correct, though the exact type "busy signal", popup message or whatever, is unknown AFAIK.

For #5, streaming to Nomad will occur as long as 2 or fewer streams are occuring to the first 4 types of devices. Otherwise, once stream 3 is requested by one of those 4, the nomad will pause.


Correct

Also, from what I've read I think these are the limits of what could connect to the HR34:

Items 1, 2, & 4 (HR, H, and PC): I think up to a maximum of 15 other devices can connect (for a big house, but note only 3 streams available at any one time)


Yes if you include the CCK as one of the DECA nodes for DIRECTV2PC, correct

Item 3 (RVU): I think up to 8


According to news from the CEDIA Expo. 2011, yes up to eight registered RVU clients with no more than three active at any one time of course.

Item 5 (Nomad): In theory, one could try to connect up to 3 nomad, each to capture one of the 3 streams available. That could be helpful in a house where more than one person wanted to watch things on the go, is this possible or can you only connect 1 nomad?


Only one nomad unit allowed per account.

So in theory, I think there could be a maximum of 26 other devices (even though I doubt anyone would get near that limit) connected to the HR34 for streaming.


Actually 24 by this count, as only one nomad is permitted.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:57 AM

Worth mentioning again, there aren't any RVU clients yet. DIRECTV is expected to release one at some point and Samsung should enable it on their 2011-model smart TVs.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:00 AM

Nice job on the First Look as always Stuart :)

I can attest this has been a unique and fun box to work with.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:13 AM

Actually 24 by this count, as only one nomad is permitted.


Thanks HoTat2. This is great fun for us geeks, but I wonder how the marketing dept. is going to try to explain the HR34 and Nomad & RVU's and MRV to the average Joe?!

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:20 AM

Except that it isn't on the market yet.

It will probably be the best DIRECTV DVR on the market once it becomes "on the market". The market is already populated with similarly functional DVRs from FIOS, AT&T and Comcast One might give a slight practical advantage to the Comcast unit as each client is a fully functional receiver so it doesn't consume a DVR tuner to watch live TV.

For $400 + a yet-to-be-announced monthly fee, it needs to be awfully good.

It will be interesting to see how it all works out once populated with client devices (assuming such clients make an appearance in appreciable quantities).


I would disagree that it's not "on the market" as would everyone in Austin, Texas; Colorado Springs, Colorado; Fresno, California; Phoenix, Arizona; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and Salt Lake City, Utah.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:21 AM

Your point is well made but I have been told that supplies in those markets are very limited at this time.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:23 AM

My Samsung UN55D6400 is a RVU client/capable TV. I am so looking forward to combining it with the 34!

And please inform us if it anyway less than a Hxx when you get your HR34.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:26 AM

I agree! Great field trial! :) Great first look as usual Stuart.

Nice job on the First Look as always Stuart :)

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:28 AM

And please inform us if it anyway less than a Hxx when you get your HR34.


I have an HR34 and a Samsung UN46D6420 and it doesn't work over RVU, yet. That's all I can tell you.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:34 AM

Do we know what Markets they are in?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:38 AM

Do we know what Markets they are in?


Yes, just read from beginning or use Search inside the thread.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:44 AM

Do we know what Markets they are in?


From just a few posts above: Austin, Texas; Colorado Springs, Colorado; Fresno, California; Phoenix, Arizona; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:54 AM

I wish I could find an installer in one of those areas to ship one here. ;)
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:06 PM

What's holding up the C30? Pace announced that it passed RVU certification 6 weeks ago. Now we've got the HR34 getting released. Is the HR34 not properly working with RVU yet maybe? We haven't heard anything about the HR34 being RVU certifited yet (at least not that I can remember).

Possibly waiting for the new HD-GUI, maybe it has all the RVU stuff built into the programming and they didn't bother adding the RVU stuff to the old programming/GUI?

Really looking forward to this getting a broader release. Hoping to pick one up for my parents and finally get them switched from Comcast to DirecTV. So anyone heard anything on pricing yet for new customers? I know right now they are advertising 1 HD-DVR and 3 HD receivers for free. That adds up to $500 if you had to pay full price, so maybe they will give one HR34 to a new customer, but you will have to pay for all additional HR2x/H2x/C30s?

Anyone know what the monthly mirroring fee for this is? Maybe some of the people who beta tested? I would think now that it is available to customers we should be able to be told what the fees are going to be.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:16 PM

So when using PIP is that using 2 tuners of still just one?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:17 PM

Can the HR34 output different channels to 2 separate tv's, or is it just PiP on one tv?

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

What's holding up the C30? Pace announced that it passed RVU certification 6 weeks ago. Now we've got the HR34 getting released. Is the HR34 not properly working with RVU yet maybe? We haven't heard anything about the HR34 being RVU certifited yet (at least not that I can remember).

The device formerly known as the HMC30 prototype device was rebranded into the current HR34 name. That change actually took place early this year, and was referenced from the onsite reports from the Consumer Electronics Show back at that time.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:29 PM

So when using PIP is that using 2 tuners of still just one?


2 tuners, because when you have PIP active, you use Double Play as a means to quickly swap Video and Audio between pictures.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:34 PM

Can the HR34 output different channels to 2 separate tv's, or is it just PiP on one tv?

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If you're asking are there two independent HDMI or component outputs, or a TV2 like Dish receivers, no.

But remember that the HR34 is designed to be a RVU server, handling three concurrent clients. So that means that you can have the main set using PIP with two tuners and the other three being used by three RVU clients.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:37 PM

First, great job on the FL as always. :)

And 5 pages in, I have not seen it asked, (if it was and I missed it, the oops) will it do more than 2 DLB's? In other words, can I have 4 DLB's? Would make watching college football awesome. :D

My plan is to get 2. One on my TV and one to help eliminate SPOF by mirroring the other one as well as other DVR's recordings. I will keep it off the "grid" so to speak, but keep it somewhere it will be easy enough to do playlist maintenance. Both will have 2TB drives.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:42 PM

I do not think it does IR and RF at the same time. This was never something we discussed.

Just tested mine. It does not do IR and RF at the same time.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:45 PM

And 5 pages in, I have not seen it asked, (if it was and I missed it, the oops) will it do more than 2 DLB's? . :D


No - just 1 pair of DLB (DP). But I suppose with 2 boxes you'd have 4 buffers :D
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:46 PM

First, great job on the FL as always. :)

And 5 pages in, I have not seen it asked, (if it was and I missed it, the oops) will it do more than 2 DLB's? In other words, can I have 4 DLB's? Would make watching college football awesome. :D

My plan is to get 2. One on my TV and one to help eliminate SPOF by mirroring the other one as well as other DVR's recordings. I will keep it off the "grid" so to speak, but keep it somewhere it will be easy enough to do playlist maintenance. Both will have 2TB drives.


No QLB (Quad Live buffer). Effectively it uses DLB to do PiP. In fact, the swapping uses the down arrow as DLB does.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:55 PM

Great First Look but I am a bit confused. If this is available initially in a few select markets for NEW customers only and the RVU client is not available, doesn't this mean that the only NEW installation that it can be used in is a 1 TV setup?? (I am presuming that the number of current new clients with multiple RVU enabled TV's is 0) Or will they install H25's with MRV on additional TV's until the RVU client is released?

Just curious. Did I miss a step??


They have to be setting it up as MRV right now.
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