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#1 OFFLINE   Peter305

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:13 AM

Both Dish and InDemand are showing CBC's Hockey Night in Canada in HD as part of NHL Center Ice.

So it looks like DirecTV have decided not to pick these up. Not surprising but disappointing.

Come on DirecTV, I thought you were the leader in sports broadcasting.

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#2 OFFLINE   iluvtv

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 02:09 PM

One can only assume it must be some type of contract thing, no other reason could be possible. :(

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 04:43 PM

I suppose it's contract in the sense they aren't REQUIRED to carry Canadian HD but it's more that they would rather pocket our money.

This package costs the same on all platforms, but we are getting less.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 04:57 PM

I suppose it's contract in the sense they aren't REQUIRED to carry Canadian HD but it's more that they would rather pocket our money.

This package costs the same on all platforms, but we are getting less.


very few cable systems have all 9 HD feeds. Most only have 1-2 HD feeds.

Dish can't even get RSN HD right. Dish I want my local games in HD.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 05:22 PM

I probably would have kept Center Ice this year if they had all available HD feeds. Enough Red Wings games on Versus, NBC, and NHL Network (in addition to the weeks of free previews now and mid-season) for me. I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I enjoy the CBC (and Rogers Sportsnet) coverage enough to justify the expense if those games were in HD. No HD = No sale.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:36 AM

This is my first year with Center Ice. Hard to tell after a couple of days how much Im actually gonna watch. but the MLB package was so much better as far as what's available in HD.

PS I got plenty of discounts when I made the call a few days ago.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:15 AM

A couple of answers...

The NHL does have a material weakness in the manner it operates versus the other major sports leagues. MLB and NBA require its members to provide HD and SD feed of games to a central broadcast center and controls the sale of out of market games on the web and tv. The NHL is much weaker and does not have such an arrangement. The only thing they receive from their clubs is an SD feed. All else is subject to negotiations.

Directv uses cost accounting rules for Center Ice and is not concerned about marketing failures. Last year SR clearly indicated the low overall subscription rate for CI precluded taking bandwidth from other operations to put up HD broadcasts that are not simply remapping RSNs. Also, since HD is not provided by the league, then additional costs exists in acquiring the signal.

My hope is twofold. NBA lockout gets the NHL to seize the opportunity. The owners stop being myopic and truly try to put the best product on the ice and in living rooms. The lockout also produces higher subscription rates along with InDemand's expansion puts pressure on Directv to provide HD feeds.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:22 PM

This is your opportunity to watch the CBC HD feed of a game. The Canadiens/Jets game on NHLN right now.
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 10:16 AM

This is your opportunity to watch the CBC HD feed of a game. The Canadiens/Jets game on NHLN right now.



It was nice to see...except for the wretched crawl/ticker across the bottom of the screen.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 06:07 AM

It was nice to see...except for the wretched crawl/ticker across the bottom of the screen.


this is off topic, been when are we going to be able to remove those score tickers??? These channels should give you the option without having to zoom in and mess up the picture.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 06:22 AM

When has any channel had an optional crawler? I'd assume that was in the feed

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:06 PM

Noticed that Canucks/Flyers Wed. and Flames/Habs Thursday are listed as HD feeds. Could Canadian HD finally be coming?

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:16 PM

Wait to see them live on your TV before you decide. D* has a history of changing the guide (removing HD feed channels) right before game time.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

Wait to see them live on your TV before you decide. D* has a history of changing the guide (removing HD feed channels) right before game time.


I know, but it seems they're updating their schedule pretty regularly with the MSG HD on again off again nonsense. Plus I really don't care that much for the above teams so if they're not HD, it's not going to ruin my day.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 04:51 PM

Noticed that Canucks/Flyers Wed. and Flames/Habs Thursday are listed as HD feeds. Could Canadian HD finally be coming?


I noticed the same thing yesterday but now the HD feeds have disappeared in my guide..

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 04:56 PM

Noticed that Canucks/Flyers Wed. and Flames/Habs Thursday are listed as HD feeds. Could Canadian HD finally be coming?


Canucks/Flyers might be CSN Philly. DirecTV did use CSN Philly HD during the playoffs last season. That said, the last time I looked in my guide neither of the two games you mentioned were listed in HD, though they could've been added since (given all the recent guide updates, it's hard to know what's where).

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 05:08 PM

Canucks/Flyers might be CSN Philly. DirecTV did use CSN Philly HD during the playoffs last season. That said, the last time I looked in my guide neither of the two games you mentioned were listed in HD, though they could've been added since (given all the recent guide updates, it's hard to know what's where).


I saw them last night, sounds like they are gone already.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 09:35 PM

I saw them last night, sounds like they are gone already.


Yeah, they're gone all right. I did, however, see the Canucks/Oilers game listed in HD on Saturday, but who knows...

No MSG Plus 2 HD (as seen with the Devils/Preds game on Saturday). Cablevision still withholding the overflow HD feeds it appears. Oh well, at least the game's available in at least some form (how in the world did tomorrow's Avs/Jackets game manage not to get any TV coverage at all?!).

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 09:57 PM

how in the world did tomorrow's Avs/Jackets game manage not to get any TV coverage at all?!


I was thinking the same thing? I thought Altitude showed all the Avs games? Looking at the schedule for both RSN's that cover the teams, they are showing "filler" shows in the games time slot. :confused:

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 07:18 AM

I was thinking a Versus exclusive but that wouldn't explain the Flyers being on CSN Philly.

Edit: A bit of research shows that Versus exclusives are for games beginning at 7:00. The Flyers are starting at 7:30. That's from the Avs message boards so take it with a grain of salt but it does make sense.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 08:16 AM

6pm Thursdays is when NHL Hour is live via XM and via the NHL website. I think we need to start calling in about the lack of Canadian HD feeds in the NHL CI package and we can also state our displeasure about the lack of the dual CBC HNIC games (7pm and 10pm). I don't care about NHL On The Fly. If I want scores, I can look on the internet, ESPN, or even the score crawl on the bottom of the screen on NHL Network.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 08:54 AM

When they originally went from both games to just one, lots of callers into Bettman complained. His answer was that their studies showed more people wanted to watch NHL Live than the second game (which was available on a CI channel).

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 08:59 AM

If you want to call in to the NHL Hour, here is the # 877-645-6696 and the [link] with more info.

"The NHL Hour with Commissioner Gary Bettman" broadcasts live on Thursdays from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. ET on NHL Home Ice (XM Channel 92 and on Sirius Channel 207 as part of the "Best of XM" programming package) and NHL.com.


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Posted 12 October 2011 - 09:45 AM

I was thinking a Versus exclusive but that wouldn't explain the Flyers being on CSN Philly.

Edit: A bit of research shows that Versus exclusives are for games beginning at 7:00. The Flyers are starting at 7:30. That's from the Avs message boards so take it with a grain of salt but it does make sense.


No it doesn't make sense. I've looked through the NHL schedule and found numerous examples that disprove that theory (games scheduled at 7:00PM alongside a Versus game with local TV coverage, including games on Wednesdays). Further, if 7:00PM was the magic start time, it would be very easy for teams o move the start time a half hour later and get around it (many games in the eastern time zone start at 7:30PM). Finally, note that Versus' game tonight is at 7:30PM. Why would Versus have exclusivity at a time when they aren't carrying a game?

This is the only game all year that Altitude isn't televising (apart from those scheduled on Versus). I'm sure there's a reason, but the one you gave doesn't hold up.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:12 AM

Regarding the "Exclusive" games:

Included in the schedule is a "Game of the Week" for selected dates. In this "Exclusive" time period, which was created in 2006–07, no other National Hockey League game may be broadcast involving a team based in the United States and, in most cases, no other game is scheduled unless it involves two Canadian teams. Regional carriers are allowed to air games outside Versus' exclusive window.

Like NBC, games aired on The NHL on Versus usually feature teams based in the United States, with the exception of playoffs. As previously mentioned, for the first two playoff rounds, Versus will occasionally simulcast TSN or CBC feeds depending on the schedule and match-ups, although it has made a commitment to offering its own production in most cases.

The selection of teams for The NHL on Versus is somewhat more diverse (possibly because there are more game slots to air) than its broadcast partner, NBC. Because of inordinately high ratings in the Buffalo and Pittsburgh markets, Versus has made note to air a significant number of games featuring the Buffalo Sabres and Pittsburgh Penguins. Traditionally ratings-friendly teams such as the New York Rangers, Detroit Red Wings, and Boston Bruins, along with the Comcast-owned Philadelphia Flyers, also get selected regularly, frequently at or near the maximum of nine appearances per team during the regular season.

Any regular season game selected by Versus airs exclusively on that network, which has caused controversy due to the relative lack of availability of Versus compared to other channels like ESPN (a similar situation developed with Thursday Night Football on the NFL Network, but unlike the NHL games on Versus, these games are not exclusive to NFL Network, and must be simulcast over-the-air in the primary markets of the participating teams).

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