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#51 OFFLINE   hdtvfan0001

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 04:48 PM

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 04:50 PM

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 05:01 PM

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 05:01 PM

hahaha @ Fair Weather fans

Packer fan here for a lifetime...shareholder too...just at Lambeau in July (again).

I'm actually happy for the Lions fans - they're overdue for some joy, and they have some legit players now.

The end of the game exchange between the Lions & 49ers coaches was a bit...uh...unorthodox.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 05:06 PM

Packer fan here for a lifetime...shareholder too...just at Lambeau in July (again).

I'm actually happy for the Lions fans - they're overdue for some joy, and they have some legit players now.

The end of the game exchange between the Lions & 49ers coaches was a bit...uh...unorthodox.


I heard Harbaugh took the blame for it, that it might have been an overly exuberant handshake or back-slap.

Do they let shareholders do a Lambeau Leap? :)

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 05:45 PM

I heard Harbaugh took the blame for it, that it might have been an overly exuberant handshake or back-slap.

Do they let shareholders do a Lambeau Leap? :)

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Just saw the interview with Harbaugh, and he did indeed say that he was a bit exuberant in his handshake and that led to words exchanged between the two. But he took the blame, completely.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:03 PM

Just saw the interview with Harbaugh, and he did indeed say that he was a bit exuberant in his handshake and that led to words exchanged between the two. But he took the blame, completely.


Heard 'bout it on da radio, and both coach's sound bites, (bytes?) but I have it laid down on the HR20, so will see the replay later tonight. Was such a hanger that I had to turn the set off at the whistle and take a walk.
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:31 PM

Was a good game I personally thoguht Shwartz came off as the fool when he decided to chase Harbaugh down the entire field. Then watching the half time report on CBS during the Raiders game their entire crew came off as bafoons, saying Harbaugh was wrong and should have stod up and said he was sorry etc. Then when they came back after a commercial break they had to admit "oh sorry, we were just told Harbaugh did say he was sorry about the handshake at his press conf after." I don't think one of their so called analysts had bothered to actually watch the whole incident nor the post game comments.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:19 PM

What's funny here... is IF the Lions are who I think they are... I think this loss helps them tremendously.

Had Green Bay and Detroit met 10-0, I would have easily picked the Packers to win that game because I think Green Bay is the best team this season.

BUT...

Detroit lost a game to another good team... so while they have proven they are good, they now have a chance to prove that losing isn't a landslide. Only one team went undefeated the whole season... only one other team went undefeated for the regular season, and then lost in the final game... so the Lions losing was inevitable... but it depends which game you lose.

I remember the 49ers heyday with Montana where they were winning multiple Superbowls... and you could almost put it down in ink that the Rams, for example, would go 4-12 and 49ers would be 13-3 and would lose to the Rams!

But then you had the early Steve Young years where they couldn't get past Dallas... and that seemed to make the rest of the season blah for them...

IF the Lions make it to the "big" Thanksgiving Day game undefeated but then lose... they could have had the wheels come off IF they saw it as "well, we can't play with the big guys so why bother"...

But I think now they can take a step back... and honestly, if nothing else changes... I'm leaning towards picking Detroit to win that Thanksgiving Day game now.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:05 PM

Was a good game I personally thoguht Shwartz came off as the fool when he decided to chase Harbaugh down the entire field. Then watching the half time report on CBS during the Raiders game their entire crew came off as bafoons, saying Harbaugh was wrong and should have stod up and said he was sorry etc. Then when they came back after a commercial break they had to admit "oh sorry, we were just told Harbaugh did say he was sorry about the handshake at his press conf after." I don't think one of their so called analysts had bothered to actually watch the whole incident nor the post game comments.


1. Schwartz might have come off as a bit foolish, but Harbaugh came off worse. It's understandable to want to confront someone that acts like an idiot. Less understandablefor the idiot.

2. He did not apologize.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 10:52 PM

1. Schwartz might have come off as a bit foolish, but Harbaugh came off worse. It's understandable to want to confront someone that acts like an idiot. Less understandablefor the idiot.

2. He did not apologize.


Schwartz looks the fool for chasing Harbaugh and persisting. If he felt he was pushed aside and heard an expletive, he should have let it go. At most asked for a clarification. Not pressed, pressed, pressed for fight.

You are correct, Harbaugh didn't apologize. He did take blame.

All in all, sounds like a lot of mountain building out of simple human misunderstandings. Unfortunate, especially since both teams are doing so much better than last year.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 11:07 PM

1. Schwartz might have come off as a bit foolish, but Harbaugh came off worse. It's understandable to want to confront someone that acts like an idiot. Less understandablefor the idiot.

2. He did not apologize.


Just what did Harbaugh do?
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 11:19 PM

He said he shook his hand too hard and slapped him on the back, perhaps too exuberantly.

He said he was shoved aside and, perhaps, cursed at. (At one point he sounded uncertain if it was a curse.)

He said he was to blame, but didn't apologize.

He said...

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:34 AM

Just what did Harbaugh do?


I think Bill Cower said it best:

”I think Jim [Harbaugh] has a lot to learn,” Cowher said of an incident that nearly resulted in an end-zone brawl between the two head coaches. “You just don’t do that. I understand his excitement and everything, but there’s a respect that has to take place at the end of the game.”

“You go over, you won, the other guy lost,” Cowher said. “You’re going to lose a game too sometime, and somebody could come over and slap you on the back. You’re not going to appreciate that. It’s about being respectful of the game. … He can do exuberant, but then you gather your composure and you shake the man’s hand.”

with Shannon Sharpe chiming in too:

“I know Coach Harbaugh is excited,” the Hall of Fame tight end said. “His team went on the road and won a ballgame that very few people thought they could win. But there’s a time and a place for all of this. If you want to show your excitement, wait until you get to the locker room. You don’t show the head coach up. He knew who that was.”


Not really any different than players that excessively celebrate in the end zone and taunt opponents:

Act like you've been there before.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 10:33 AM

Thanks for the comprehensive reply, SS.

The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Detroit coach showed worse lapse of judgement in pursuing Harbaugh down the field. - That was ongoing, not just a brief lapse in judgement.

John Madden was pretty sanguine about it..... and noted that when he coached, there was no handshaking at all. Bill Cowher is a better coach than talking head, and I do hope he returns to that arena.

Heh- That 'scene' was replayed this am on ESPN twice as much as any great plays on the field. Sportscasters, otoh, are having a "field day"!
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:57 AM

I think Bill Cower said it best:

”I think Jim [Harbaugh] has a lot to learn,” Cowher said of an incident that nearly resulted in an end-zone brawl between the two head coaches. “You just don’t do that. I understand his excitement and everything, but there’s a respect that has to take place at the end of the game.”

“You go over, you won, the other guy lost,” Cowher said. “You’re going to lose a game too sometime, and somebody could come over and slap you on the back. You’re not going to appreciate that. It’s about being respectful of the game. … He can do exuberant, but then you gather your composure and you shake the man’s hand.”

with Shannon Sharpe chiming in too:

“I know Coach Harbaugh is excited,” the Hall of Fame tight end said. “His team went on the road and won a ballgame that very few people thought they could win. But there’s a time and a place for all of this. If you want to show your excitement, wait until you get to the locker room. You don’t show the head coach up. He knew who that was.”


Not really any different than players that excessively celebrate in the end zone and taunt opponents:

Act like you've been there before.

I don't know how these talking heads really have enough information to judge. We have a he said/he said with some video but no audio.

If all Harbaugh "did" was shake Schwartz hand and slap him on the back for a good game, that shouldn't be a problem. I've seen all kinds of greetings at midfield.

If Harbaugh did curse, then he should get some blame--but we don't know. And Schwartz himself was uncertain.

So how can we judge on the basis of limited information?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:14 PM

Jim Harbaugh likes to run the score up too. He pissed off Pete Carroll at USC and they had a grouchy handshake after the games about 2 years ago. Hope he wins coach of the year because my niners are worth watching again. Those 2 first round offensive linemen are paying off big time. Several other strong rookies like lb Bowman and cb Rogers also. We should be 6-0.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:44 PM

Funny how more comes out today about this........Jim Shwartz going up to Jim and John Harbaugh during the summer at a dinner and saying Jim had no chance this year and didn't understand why he took the job. Before the game he goes up to Tony "Goose" Siragussa of FOX and says "the 49ers are afraid of our D and our fans they don't want to start on offense." Then when Jim challanged a play you couldn't challange Jim Shwartz could be seen mouthing "know the rules Harbaugh" with a few other words mixed in. Plus you add in Schwartz's little act last week when they beat the Cowboys and he jumped on the filed with his fist in the air........Now I ask again who came off as the fool? People want to make a big deal about Harbaugh untucking his shirt before the handshake etc........well that's one of his deals with his team when they win "they can untuck their shirts and relax." So you will often see players running up to Harbaugh to get him to untuck his shirt becuase of the win.

And as for saying sorry.........again he did say he was sorry "it was on him (me) for the hard handshake" he wasn't going to say he was sorry for being excited after the game and going out to greet his team. I watched the post game presser on CSN Bay Area and saw what he said.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:19 PM

I don't know how these talking heads really have enough information to judge. We have a he said/he said with some video but no audio.

If all Harbaugh "did" was shake Schwartz hand and slap him on the back for a good game, that shouldn't be a problem. I've seen all kinds of greetings at midfield.

If Harbaugh did curse, then he should get some blame--but we don't know. And Schwartz himself was uncertain.

So how can we judge on the basis of limited information?

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Regardless of what has transpired before with these two, I didn't need audio to know that Harbaugh was acting inappropriately for a post game handshake. Audio is only needed to know if it was even worse than it appeared.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 02:27 PM

Bottom line is that both men ended up looking bad. Harbaugh looks bad for his over-hyperness and Schwartz looks bad for chasing him down.

There is going to be a game where an opponent takes a cheap shot at a Lions player during a game... and Schwartz is going to want his player to stay cool and not react and get a game-changing penalty against the Lions... and his players might remember how he reacted to a slap on the back and some cursing... so he is going to have to work to erase his example to his team.

Similarly, Harbaugh is going to have to work to caution his players not to do something stupid... like oh, remember when Singletary was coach and the 49ers had a game-ending interception that would have won them the game... only the guy that intercepted got carried away running with the ball and lost focus and the other team stripped it to him, and then went on to beat the 49ers?

So... both coaches will have some damage control in the locker room in terms of coaxing their players how to stay cool in a game.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:17 PM

So... both coaches will have some damage control in the locker room in terms of coaxing their players how to stay cool in a game.


Trent Dilfer was on ESPN Radio this morning while I was in the car, and this was his thought on the issue as well.

He didn't think the hyperness / confrontation was that big a deal... except for the fact that both coaches, as you pointed out, are going to try to get their players to keep their cool in certain situation, and this might hinder that message to some extent...

Not a huge deal, but certainly it'll have to be addressed.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:25 PM

Moving back to the original premise of the thread, I see Peter King still ranks the Lions highly. But never #1. :)

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:20 PM

Moving back to the original premise of the thread, I see Peter King still ranks the Lions highly. But never #1. :)

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That same Peter King has my 49ers #2 in his fine 15. I love what the niners are doing this year, but I think putting them #2 might be a bit generous!
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:37 PM

That same Peter King has my 49ers #2 in his fine 15. I love what the niners are doing this year, but I think putting them #2 might be a bit generous!


Yeah, I hadn't registered that he put the Niners that high. Though that whole bunch with only one loss is kinda hard to really split up.

The good news for you is the Niners are definitely greatly improved. (As are the Lions.) :)

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:43 PM

Yeah, I hadn't registered that he put the Niners that high. Though that whole bunch with only one loss is kinda hard to really split up.

The good news for you is the Niners are definitely greatly improved. (As are the Lions.) :)

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King tends to break ties with his gut feeling... and I think you could argue that the Patriots and Ravens are right where they're "supposed to be"... the 49ers are playing above expectations, and have two wins on the road @ Philly, and @ Detroit, so they get the "feel good" boost in this weeks rankings.
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