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#81 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:27 PM

I viewed it as all Harbaugh.

When you've just had a brutal loss, and the winner is gloating over it, and then slaps you, well sometimes that's enough to push you over the edge.

It's not appropriate but at least understandable.
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#82 OFFLINE   Stewart Vernon

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:41 PM

I viewed it as all Harbaugh.

When you've just had a brutal loss, and the winner is gloating over it, and then slaps you, well sometimes that's enough to push you over the edge.

It's not appropriate but at least understandable.


FYI...

This is exactly why the No-Fun-League had to make rules to penalize celebrations in the end zone after touchdowns... because too many celebrations after touchdown were resulting in the other team starting a fight in response to the celebration.

People complain about how it is "silly" to have those rules... and now there are similar (and worse) rules in college that even take away points IF the celebration begins in the field of play before the score!

So, yeah, rules like that are silly... but without the rules... clearly adults can't control their behavior... and fights or chase scenes that make everyone look bad break out.

I honestly don't get why adults get out of control like that... but it might not be too long before we have similar rules for coaches' behavior like we do for players.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:32 PM

Reality my ass. You must have eaten some expired cheese, you're delusional if you think the Packers or anyone else can beat the Lions this year. 19-0, Lions Superbowl XLVI Champions.

Someone was pretty confident a week ago and then no recent posts, what happened? :rolleyes:
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 04:18 PM

Someone was pretty confident a week ago and then no recent posts, what happened? :rolleyes:


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Posted 19 October 2011 - 07:46 PM

But he didn't.

In this particular instance (and not hypothetical's), the instigator (Harbaugh) deserves the brunt of the blame. That doesn't mean what Schwartz did was appropriate, but as I said before: I can more easily understand someone acting foolishly when they're provoked over someone acting foolishly with no provocation.


You still are hypothesizing what Harbaugh did to deserve the brunt of your ire. At least I have seen nothing to warrant anyone chasing Harbaugh for 40 yards and continually trying to approach in a manner that appears to be very inappropriate--even with people standing in the way to cool him off.

It's looking like we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't imagine what Harbaugh could have been confused to have done or said to warrant Schwatz's apparent chase and attempted attack. Nor that any proof has been offered that Harbaugh actually said or did anything, only that a misunderstanding could have occurred.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:06 PM

You still are hypothesizing what Harbaugh did to deserve the brunt of your ire.


Nope, not hypothesizing at all. Going by what I saw with my own eyes. If Harbaugh wanted to celebrate that's fine. But he should have composed himself for 20 seconds to shake Schwartz's hand, then walked away and continued celebrating. You're assuming it has something to do with what was said. I don't care what was said (although that could have made it worse). It was his actions. And while that disrespect might not have warranted Schwartz running after him to maybe tell him "what the hell's wrong with you, show some respect", I can certainly understand it (which is vastly different than condone).


I can't imagine what Harbaugh could have been confused to have done or said to warrant Schwatz's apparent chase and attempted attack. Nor that any proof has been offered that Harbaugh actually said or did anything, only that a misunderstanding could have occurred.


Wow. First, you don't have to imagine, just watch the video. He was acting like an idiot - as has been pointed out by almost every analyst, radio show host, and viewer. Not sure why you think jumping up and down, grabbing Schwartz's hand, slapping him on the back and practically knocking him over is appropriate, but obviously your idea of sportsmanship is considerably different than mine. Second, why do you say Schwartz was attempting to attack? He chased after him, because Harbaugh was running away. Undoubtedly to say to him "what the F is wrong with you?", to which Harbaugh clearly responded "get out of my face" (you don't have to be a lip reader to see that).

You are right about one thing, we're going to have to agree to disagree. If you beat me at checkers in my house in front of my family, then ran over lifting your shirt up, jumping up and down, grabbed my hand, slapped me on the back, yelling in victory the whole time, and then started running toward the door, I'd run after you too. But I'd probably catch you.

This pic says most of it, as Schwartz looks on wondering "what is this guys malfunction?":

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:06 PM

I viewed it as all Harbaugh.

When you've just had a brutal loss, and the winner is gloating over it, and then slaps you, well sometimes that's enough to push you over the edge.

It's not appropriate but at least understandable.


Exactly. Glad at least you understand Sixto.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:23 PM

He was acting like an idiot


I don't dispute that Harbaugh was way too amped up....

But, Schwartz acted like an idiot all day long, running his mouth about how the 49ers were afraid of the Lions, and yelling across the field at one point "Know the rules, Harbaugh". To run your mouth like that all day and they cry like a little girl with the opposing coach pats your back too hard just makes Schwartz look like a fool, IMO.

IN other words, they were both acting like fools.... but, IMO, Schwartz comes off looking worse. My folks always told us "Don't dish it out if you can't take it". Don't act the fool all day and then get your panties in a bunch when the opposing coach returns the favor.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:34 PM

I don't dispute that Harbaugh was way too amped up....

But, Schwartz acted like an idiot all day long, running his mouth about how the 49ers were afraid of the Lions, and yelling across the field at one point "Know the rules, Harbaugh". To run your mouth like that all day and they cry like a little girl with the opposing coach pats your back too hard just makes Schwartz look like a fool, IMO.

IN other words, they were both acting like fools.... but, IMO, Schwartz comes off looking worse. My folks always told us "Don't dish it out if you can't take it". Don't act the fool all day and then get your panties in a bunch when the opposing coach returns the favor.


Couldn't agree more. Talk mess all game long, but if they lose they will look for any reason to start a fight....I've dealt with this type many times through life.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 01:52 PM

The whole thing looks like 2 coaches who drink waaaaay too much coffee or Coke meeting and a media-hyped up event.

Result = embarrassment for the coaches and their respective teams.

My guess is a lesson was learned.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:12 PM

The whole thing looks like 2 coaches who drink waaaaay too much coffee or Coke meeting and a media-hyped up event.

Result = embarrassment for the coaches and their respective teams.

My guess is a lesson was learned.


Heh: We'll see.....:eek2:

Now here's an outside theory that no one's put forward: They did it for ratings! Yes, they cooked it up at that dinner where Schwartz allegedly bad mouthed John Harbaugh's team!

Don't you see it now?? Do you not grant me that there will be some number tuning into future Lions, and Niners, games (not neccessarily vs. each other!) just to see how the coaches comport themselves?? Well, it could happen.....

I also grant that there may be good reason why no one's come up with this.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 03:57 PM

Heh: We'll see.....:eek2:

Now here's an outside theory that no one's put forward: They did it for ratings! Yes, they cooked it up at that dinner where Schwartz allegedly bad mouthed John Harbaugh's team!

Don't you see it now?? Do you not grant me that there will be some number tuning into future Lions, and Niners, games (not neccessarily vs. each other!) just to see how the coaches comport themselves?? Well, it could happen.....

I also grant that there may be good reason why no one's come up with this.

Where are the grassy knoll guys when you need 'em? Or Ollie Stone?


Somebody in the Detroit media floated that idea out there. It was some local guy whose story I found linked from a forum. He basically said that Schwartz and Harbaugh were both media "hounds" (his adjective wasn't so PC), and that it was all a stunt. The irony, according to the person who posted the link, was this writer calling someone else a "media hound".

I did see someone else, in half seriousness, who wondered if it wasn't calculated on Schwartz's part... After all, it is their first loss of the season, they didn't look real good in said loss, and nobody is talking about it - everybody is focused on the coaches shenanigans. (I personally don't give theory much credence, but it is out there).
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Posted 21 October 2011 - 03:32 PM

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 03:35 PM

Come on Coca Cola Kid, come out and play. :)

Look as much as I don't want the Packers to lose a game I'm sure they will, I just hope you come back before then.

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 04:31 PM

I thought the UCLA-AZ game was worse. Both teams should be suspended.
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Posted 21 October 2011 - 05:02 PM

I thought the UCLA-AZ game was worse. Both teams should be suspended.


Agreed that it was worse... hard to say the whole teams should be suspended, but it did sure look like most of them got involved!

Oddly enough, I happened to be watching when all that happened, despite the game being way beyond decided at that point.

I did find it weird, though, some of today's discussion... noting that last week a Green Bay Packer player was fined for wearing off-color shoes that probably nobody noticed... but two coaches creating a stir in the center of the field on TV resulted in no fine for either coach.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:59 PM

So what are the records in the NFC Norte now? :D

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

Yea, but I was sweatin' a little toward the end there...

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 06:31 PM

All I'm gonna say is WOO-HOO! Squeaked one out and the bye week to recover.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 06:45 PM

All I'm gonna say is WOO-HOO! Squeaked one out and the bye week to recover.

It's good to be a Packers fan!


Considering that once the Packers took the lead, they never relinquished it I don't really call it a squeaker. :)

This is the first game this season where the Packers were behind more than one time in a game. An amazing record in itself. :)

I will say I was more concerned that I would like, but they got the job done. :)

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