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#51 OFFLINE   phrelin

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:53 AM

Why do you always have to chime in with "1 Puerto Rican"? The show made no reference to his race, only you do. His race was never brought up, not an issue and not a selling point of the show. Only you are singling in on his race.

Pick your story.

  • Fox News:

    As if dismal ratings weren't bad enough, the show, which aired its pilot episode on January 3, has been receiving a wave of criticism from a Puerto Rican grassroots campaign and GLAAD - the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.

  • Variety:

    Women's advocacy groups and members of the Puerto Rican community have also criticized the show's premise and jokes.

  • Huffington Post:

    A pair of Puerto Rican members of Congress, Jose Serrano and Nydia Velasquez, issued statements condemning the show and demanding a network apology.

  • Or my favorite headline in the Latin American Herald Tribune: ABC Pressed to Apologize for Joke About Puerto Rican Drug Dealers
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:05 AM

See, what did I tell you? Different groups and different people all bitching about the show, demanding apologies, organizing opposition, etc.

Hypersensitivity and political correctness run amuck.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:28 AM

Yeah, if you want to see just how far Archie Bunker would make it today, read this account of the assault on "2 Broke Girls" at the Television Critics Association get together with the networks this week. What had me rolling with laughter was this exchange:

Later in the session, when the reporter persisted in trying to find out whether or not King had made changes to the show at the behest of CBS, King asked the reporter his name (it was Tim Molloy of TheWrap.com). "So you're Irish," King said. "I'm Irish. We've identified your sexual problem."

Being of Irish heritage myself, I found it hilarious but I'm sure some of my uptight relatives would not - older ones because they are "ethnically sensitive" (meaning they're Archie Bunkers) and younger ones because everything just must be politically correct.

Keep in mind that every broadcast network made a presentation to these clowns at the Television Critics Association and instead of dealing with the multitude of economic problems facing broadcast TV, this is what they devoted time to - political correctness.

Apparently the critics don't watch FX, AMC, HBO, Showtime, etc. Oh wait, those are the channels that have all the shows they shower with praise using words like "smart" and "edgy."

At least Archie Bunker was portrayed simply as a bigot which is different from a hypocrite like the critics, by which in this context I mean "a person who pretends to have principles but whose actions belie stated beliefs."

Sorry, I get irked whenever I think about the "politically correct" movement.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:31 AM

Too many people in this country are just so damn uptight. Everyone's a victim. People should just loosen up and laugh a little--or a lot--including at themselves. Hell, I do it all the time.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:41 AM

No it's not, unless it's intentionally done as a comedic farce, like in that TV show or in several movies, like Gene Hackman's scene at the end of The Birdcage.

If a show today was on network TV featuring a true transvestite, it wouldn't get as warm a reception, although I submit that it might not face the vitriol that an All in the Family show would face, primarily because it's not politically correct to protest transvestites/gays/etc.


I disagree 110%. We live in a day and age where transvestites and transgender people openly walk down the street and nothing happens to them. We also live in a day and age where same-sex marriages take place and there are gays in the military. Our society is FAR more accepting now of a show like "Work It!" than it was "Bosom Buddies" in the 80's and you can't convince me otherwise.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:47 AM

Yeah, it's only me and my closest friends in the press.


I don't get where one actor being Puerto Rican has anything to do with anything. We weren't even told he was actually Puerto Rican. The words "Puerto Rican" didn't even come up! For all we know he's Mexican or Cuban or Dominican. And there certainly were NO jokes directed at Puerto Ricans or anything that was funny just because he was Hispanic at all. And really, WHO CARES what race he may or may not be?
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:48 AM

See, what did I tell you? Different groups and different people all bitching about the show, demanding apologies, organizing opposition, etc.

Hypersensitivity and political correctness run amuck.


No, not political correctness. Use the real word, discrimination.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:32 AM

Too many people in this country are just so damn uptight. Everyone's a victim. People should just loosen up and laugh a little--or a lot--including at themselves. Hell, I do it all the time.


Maybe that's one reason all the good Mel Brooks movies are older ones. I actually did come across someone that thought he was an anti-Semite because of the jokes in his movies. That really surprised me.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:36 AM

I disagree 110%. We live in a day and age where transvestites and transgender people openly walk down the street and nothing happens to them. We also live in a day and age where same-sex marriages take place and there are gays in the military. Our society is FAR more accepting now of a show like "Work It!" than it was "Bosom Buddies" in the 80's and you can't convince me otherwise.


In that context, for this show to have been as risky as Bosom Buddies was in the early 80s, shouldn't it have featured actual trans-gendered or cross-dressing characters, rather than just explicitly straight guys dressing up?
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:26 PM

I don't get where one actor being Puerto Rican has anything to do with anything. We weren't even told he was actually Puerto Rican. The words "Puerto Rican" didn't even come up! For all we know he's Mexican or Cuban or Dominican. And there certainly were NO jokes directed at Puerto Ricans or anything that was funny just because he was Hispanic at all. And really, WHO CARES what race he may or may not be?

If you read my links you would know why there was a big kerfluffle. From The Latin American Herald:

In one scene, a character portrayed by Puerto Rican actor Amaury Nolasco says: “I’m Puerto Rican... I’d be great at selling drugs.”

“That wasn’t a joke, that was an insult and we want an apology,” activist Julio Pabon, one of the organizers of the protest called Thursday by Boricuas for a Positive Image, told Efe.

Thus we end up with reports about Nolasco having to Tweet about it:

Puerto Rican actor Amaury Nolasco says via Twitter that his line suggesting that Puerto Ricans are "great at selling drugs" on the ABC sitcom "Work It" should be seen in a comedic context and that he's always tried to "uphold the positive image of my beautiful island and our people."

"Seems like a few of you felt uncomfortable with a line my character said on #Workit," he wrote Wednesday. "I understand your feelings. The show is a comedy and is meant to be viewed in that context. Soy Boricua de pura sepa. I am proud of our culture and I've always strived to uphold the positive image of my beautiful island and our people in both my career and personal lives. Pa'lante mi gente."

It is irrelevant to me that he's Puerto Rican. That his line referred to "Puerto Rican" was irrelevant to me. But it apparently wasn't irrelevant to others and, though they didn't need it, the others gave ABC/Disney more "you see" reasons to cancel the show.

Cross-dressing sexuality implications was also irrelevant to me. But apparently not to others.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:32 PM

I disagree 110%. We live in a day and age where transvestites and transgender people openly walk down the street and nothing happens to them. We also live in a day and age where same-sex marriages take place and there are gays in the military. Our society is FAR more accepting now of a show like "Work It!" than it was "Bosom Buddies" in the 80's and you can't convince me otherwise.


Then why is there so much opposition to Work It? Why is there complaining by different groups?

Society is more accepting in every day lives, but not on network television. It is a fact that society is far more politically correct and hypersensitive than it was in the 1970s when All in the Family was on.

No, not political correctness. Use the real word, discrimination.


I'm not going to use that word because it would be an incorrect use of it. It's called political correctness. Period.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

No, not political correctness. Use the real word, discrimination.

I'm not going to use that word because it would be an incorrect use of it. It's called political correctness. Period.

Discrimination and political correctness are two distinct very different things.

One is rooted in hate.

The other is rooted in a desire to not offend.

Two very different things.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

Except that political incorrectness goes beyond a desire to not offend. It's actually less of that than it is a desire to control what one says and does. It is contrary to the First Amendment and stifles speech and thought.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

Except that political incorrectness goes beyond a desire to not offend. It's actually less of that than it is a desire to control what one says and does. It is contrary to the First Amendment and stifles speech and thought.

Political incorrectness?

My choice to carefully select my words and not use words I consider offensive to a group, what many call political correctness, to me is just common courtesy, and in no way infringes on anyone else's free speech right.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:29 PM

Then why is there so much opposition to Work It? Why is there complaining by different groups?


You're talking about a HANDFUL of people. Not millions as your "so much" comment implies.

Society is more accepting in every day lives, but not on network television. It is a fact that society is far more politically correct and hypersensitive than it was in the 1970s when All in the Family was on.


I still disagree with you.

I'm not going to use that word because it would be an incorrect use of it. It's called political correctness. Period.


You may not use the word but what you are throwing around is pure discrimination.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:30 PM

Discrimination and political correctness are two distinct very different things.


Not always.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:27 PM

Political incorrectness?

My choice to carefully select my words and not use words I consider offensive to a group, what many call political correctness, to me is just common courtesy, and in no way infringes on anyone else's free speech right.


Oh it does, indeed. Political correctness is an attempt to control what others think. It's a form of power and control. Hell, even someone whom I otherwise don't particularly like, Bill Maher, has explained this rather well. His show once had this title.

BTW, I am not talking about avoiding offensive words, like the "n" word to refer to blacks, or the "f" word to refer to gay people. There are words and labels that are purely offensive, and there are other words and terms that are simply considered politically incorrect by people (almost always a group of liberals) who relish the chance to control what others can think and say.

You're talking about a HANDFUL of people. Not millions as your "so much" comment implies.


No, I'm talking about a LOT of people.


You may not use the word but what you are throwing around is pure discrimination.


No it's not. Learn what the word "discrimination" means first, then come back and claim it's what I'm saying. The word requires actively practicing biased against one or more particulart groups of people. Just because someone calls an Asian a "chink" doesn't mean that person is discriminating against Asians, as insulting as that word may be.

I'm 100 Polish. The word "Polack" is supposed to be a slang, derogatory term (the proper word being "Pole"). However, I'm not offended if someone calls me a Polack, and even if I was, it sure as hell isn't discrimination!

The ability of some people to grasp the obvious is but one reason why there are so many ridiculously hypersensitive people in today's society.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:04 PM

No, I'm talking about a LOT of people.


In the grand scheme of things you're not. You may be talking thousands but that's nothing compared to millions.

Just because someone calls an Asian a "chink" doesn't mean that person is discriminating against Asians, as insulting as that word may be.


That's exactly what discrimination is... I'm done arguing though. Clearly your from a generation where that was tolerated.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:10 PM

I cannot fathom that a racial nickname was even used in this thread. There is nothing more to say.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:18 PM

In the grand scheme of things you're not. You may be talking thousands but that's nothing compared to millions.



That's exactly what discrimination is... I'm done arguing though. Clearly your from a generation where that was tolerated.


Hardly, but whatever you say. I can't discuss it with someone who lacks the basic comprehension of what a word's definition is. Like I said, go learn its definition, then come back and discuss it.

I cannot fathom that a racial nickname was even used in this thread. There is nothing more to say.


Oh, brother! :rolleyes:

Now one can't even quote an example of a certain type of derogatory speech to make a point? Thanks for proving my point about society being ridiculously, overly sensitive. :nono2::nono2:

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:29 PM

Now one can't even quote an example of a certain type of derogatory speech to make a point? Thanks for proving my point about society being ridiculously, overly sensitive. :nono2::nono2:

I'm not society - I'm an individual who sees no call for the word you used. You say I'm over sensitive and I could respond that you are insensitive, but this can go on forever so that would be a pointless exchange. I have my opinions, you have yours. Now I really have nothing left to say on this topic.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:32 PM

Thank God, because when one cannot explain something when intentionally illustrating a certain word's use, well, then society has plummeted into the depths of irreversible political correctness.

Your type is the same type that complains about the use of the "n" word in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:35 PM

Phrelin is absolutely correct. Cross-dressing men today just isn't acceptable.


Guess you missed Rock Center tonight. Brian Williams not only did a story, but the interviewee did the whole end of the interview in drag. It was hilarious.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:36 PM

I actually caught part of that and laughed. Like I said, it's analogous to Gene Hackman wearing a dress in The Birdcage.

Now, a show that featured an actual transvestite character? THAT would garner some complaints (not that I'd want it to, however).

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

Thank God, because when one cannot explain something when intentionally illustrating a certain word's use, well, then society has plummeted into the depths of irreversible political correctness.

Your type is the same type that complains about the use of the "n" word in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Fine. Let's continue the fun. :)

First, you mean to say that you couldn't find a way to discuss this topic without using an offensive word? I think that says much more about you than me. I'm sure you can do better. ;)

Next, you tend to generalize. You don't know me, or you'd know that I am a fan of Huck Finn and wouldn't change a word. This is also why I have no problem with All In the Family - it's a reflection of its times.

Finally, your fears are necessary. The dinosaurs and bigots will die off and leave the land to the enlightened. :up:

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