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#41 OFFLINE   jsk

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 08:46 AM

I doubt that Dish is paying anything for this channel and I think it is good for Americans to see what other countries are saying about them. Anyone with half a brain should be able to realize that this is blatant propaganda and should be able to separate the facts from the propaganda.

No one has been complaining about CCTV from the Chinese government. Dish has been carrying them for ever since I became a subscriber. The thing I like about CCTV, is that their news programs contain real news and not much analysis. Yes, I still know that CCTV determines what they will and will not air, but at least I get real facts. Many times, I see more news on CCTV than on CNN, Fox & MSNBC.
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#42 OFFLINE   mnassour

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 09:49 AM

Complete agreement about CCTV. The Chinese are very circumspect. The Russians yell in your face "look how bad you are!"

I would still like to know the process by which RT was added. Whose wagon wheel was greased.....

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 11:51 AM

Every country has propaganda... We do it too, but since we are here, people tend to overlook it. Citizens of the rest of the world don't like some our stereotyping and generalizations of them either!

We also do not really have any unbiased news sources... So I fail to see anything unique or troubling if another country has a biased and inaccurate news channel. It just means they are becoming more like us! :)

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 12:26 PM

I did put all of your requests in


I would also like BBC WORLD NEWS. It''s on one of our locals here, but it's only on for thirty minutes a day.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 12:40 PM

I don't think CNNI is a possibility as IIRC they won't sell it domestically. But BBC World is out there for the asking (and paying for).




....along with Al Jazeera English. :preach:


When I had U-verse in late 2009 they had CNNI.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 01:27 PM

Every country has propaganda... We do it too, but since we are here, people tend to overlook it. Citizens of the rest of the world don't like some our stereotyping and generalizations of them either!

We also do not really have any unbiased news sources... So I fail to see anything unique or troubling if another country has a biased and inaccurate news channel. It just means they are becoming more like us! :)


Point well taken, sir!:lol:

I guess the particular burr under my saddle when it comes to RT is that it seems to be not a particular news channel, but rather something that is simply targeted to spread bad news, real or imagined, about the U.S....something on the lines of of the old Radio Moscow (for those of you who remember shortwave).

Like I say, what burns me is that something like this 24/7 slam gets carriage on Dish, while something that I (at least) have to consider considerably more useful and unbiased (AJE) remains left out in the cold.

When I had U-verse in late 2009 they had CNNI.


Well I would certainly like to have them if they're available. I remember watching their feed on the Ku side of my old 10' dish, marveling at how much more I liked it over the domestic CNN.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 01:26 AM

I have yet to find a news channel that is absolutely unbiased ... they ALL play to the bias of their audience, giving them the news they want to hear (or at least presented in the way they feel the audience wants to hear it). Most throw away any chance of becoming a truly unbiased news source in exchange for better ratings for their network. The channels play to their audiences. Cable news has become a lot more like professional wrestling with characters playing roles (yes Virginia, there is role play in wrestling) instead of simply telling the news.

Biased news is what most of the audience wants ... they just want the bias that matches their opinion. Fortunately we have several different biases to choose from. Perhaps in this world where "Free Speech TV" has been on DISH for years another "truth telling" channel is what the audience wants.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 05:30 PM

I have yet to find a news channel that is absolutely unbiased ... they ALL play to the bias of their audience, giving them the news they want to hear (or at least presented in the way they feel the audience wants to hear it). <snip>


That's just it, James. RT is NOT a news channel such as Fox, CNN, or AJE. It's sole purpose is to disparage the United States in the eyes of the English-speaking world. Each and every story concerning the U.S. paints us in a negative light. If you have not seen it I urge you...and everyone else here... to go online to http://rt.com/on-air/ and watch their live feed.

I would be thrilled to have an at least semi-impartial news service from Russia. I'd fight for it to be on both systems as I do AJE. But RT is NOT that service.


Cable news has become a lot more like professional wrestling with characters playing roles (yes Virginia, there is role play in wrestling) instead of simply telling the news.


An absolutely brilliant comparison sir. Nailed it!

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 06:44 PM

That's just it, James. RT is NOT a news channel such as Fox, CNN, or AJE. It's sole purpose is to disparage the United States in the eyes of the English-speaking world. Each and every story concerning the U.S. paints us in a negative light.

I have not watched every story on RT. My experience with them is with reporting on other countries, such as the tsunami that hit Japan. With limited experience I feel that it is foolish to judge "every" story about the US to be disparaging. Absolute judgements are troublesome.

If all one has seen on AJE were stories about the US with a negative slant it would be easy to assume that ALL of their US stories were negative. If ALL of AJE's stories about the US had a positive slant I'd be more curious about their motives. There is no way that AJE or any other network operates with no slant at all. It isn't human. With their connection to AJ Arabic (which has a very poor reputation for how they portray the US) there remains a question of motive.

If you have not seen it I urge you...and everyone else here... to go online to http://rt.com/on-air/ and watch their live feed.

Or tune to channel 280 ... it is available to nearly every DISH subscriber (all the AT120 and above packages).

I would be thrilled to have an at least semi-impartial news service ...

Yes. But my point is that impartial is in the eye of the beholder. Pick ANY news network and you will find people who would swear on their mother's grave that the network is impartial. Even though there are others who would certainly not agree. AJE would fall into that category, just like the others.

We got RT ... I would have preferred a channel with a more western bias such as BBC World News or CNN International's English feed but we got RT.

Fortunately RT was placed in the 280's away from the US news channels. It isn't something that people are going to trip over when looking in the 200-211 news range. Just like FSTV on channel 9415 ... if people want that viewpoint they have to go looking for it.

(Now if only we could get CCNEW off of channel 265 and put it on 281. It doesn't belong with the religious channels.)

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 07:12 PM

It's sole purpose is to disparage the United States in the eyes of the English-speaking world. Each and every story concerning the U.S. paints us in a negative light.


You wouldn't be Frank Stallone would you?

Did you ever think that not everyone in the world in impressed with U.S. policies and that they don't have to buy into your way of thinking?

Did you ever think that maybe RT's 'slant' is more accurate than say ... Fox's?
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:40 PM

Let me get this straight....you are KIDDING me!

BTW, as I was typing this I switched on RT, just to make sure it was what I remembered. Within 30 seconds I had been told how Newt Gingrich or Romney as President would curtail American civil liberties and the crawl at the bottom of the screen chided the US for "interfering" with its comments about the Russian election.

Sorry for the rant, folks. This just pissed me off (as I guess you can tell).


There is also a certain American news channel that spends a lot of time attacking the current President of the United States, suggesting he isn't a real American and calling him a socialist and much worse. By your standards I presume you would also have that channel removed?

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

Fortunately RT was placed in the 280's away from the US news channels. It isn't something that people are going to trip over when looking in the 200-211 news range. Just like FSTV on channel 9415 ... if people want that viewpoint they have to go looking for it.


And indeed, that's a very useful thing.

You wouldn't be Frank Stallone would you?

Did you ever think that not everyone in the world in impressed with U.S. policies and that they don't have to buy into your way of thinking?

Did you ever think that maybe RT's 'slant' is more accurate than say ... Fox's?


There is also a certain American news channel that spends a lot of time attacking the current President of the United States, suggesting he isn't a real American and calling him a socialist and much worse. By your standards I presume you would also have that channel removed?


Absolutely not, and with no disrespect intended JWK, I believe you have mischaracterized Fox News.

There is a LARGE difference between Fox (which I do not care for) and RT.

Fox is a legitimate news channel, with a lot of commentary. The commentary is labeled as such. On RT, the commentary is presented as a factual news story. That's the difference between a legitimate news channel with, I believe, a rightward bias, and a channel simply devoted to promoting propaganda, RT.

As much as I disagree with the viewpoints usually expressed on Fox News, it is an important part of our media culture, for it raises questions that need to be addressed. Operations such as RT simply tell us how terrible we are...without offering any alternatives.

And no SayWhat? I'm not Frank Stallone.

And I can't believe I've just dedicated a post to defending Fox News! :uglyhamme

At any rate, I think I'm done. I feel like the guy under the hammer above!

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 06:58 PM

And I can't believe I've just dedicated a post to defending Fox News! :uglyhamme

Thank you for your "fair and balanced" defense of Fox News! If people from all viewpoints would only see things as you just did above America would not be as divided as it is today. While I am a "Fox fan" that does not preclude me from tuning to CNN from time to time. MSNBC OTOH... :sure:

If not for this thread I would not have known about RT's "bias" (although considering where that channel originates I'm not surprised).

It's time we got an English service from a different viewpoint. How is Germany's "DW"? I used to get 15 minutes of their news back when Sky Angel was still on satellite (from an Arkansas local station that was carried nationally on SA).
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 08:23 PM

It's time we got an English service from a different viewpoint. How is Germany's "DW"? I used to get 15 minutes of their news back when Sky Angel was still on satellite (from an Arkansas local station that was carried nationally on SA).


There are many English language alternatives on Dish, DW as one. It is on once or twice a day on Link or Free Speech. There's the free news in English on TVJapan, EuroNews (my favorite a great news source) and some others.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 08:48 PM

Fox is a legitimate news channel, with a lot of commentary.


About as legitimate a news channel as National Lampoon.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:37 PM

It's time we got an English service from a different viewpoint. How is Germany's "DW"? I used to get 15 minutes of their news back when Sky Angel was still on satellite (from an Arkansas local station that was carried nationally on SA).


First of all, I appreciate your kind words, though I'm not sure I deserve them!:icon_peac

Regarding DW, my American sensibilities find it...well...rather boring. Lots of Euro-centric features and a smidgen of current news. What I'm looking for is breaking news from an non-Western source in English, and for me AJE is the only thing that fits the bill.

The problem with AJE on Link, I believe, is that the newscasts are delayed. I get this impression from some of them that I've seen, and if I'm wrong, please someone correct me. On the other hand MHz Worldview (available only on DirecTV's International Dish) seems to cut into AJE, France 24, Euronews and others as live newscasts are running.

Frankly, MHz is the only thing keeping me with DirecTV right now.

And for those of you who might be interested, here's the link to this little-known...but invaluable...channel: http://www.mhznetwor...g/mhzworldview/

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 11:45 AM

Move to the DC area, and get 10 MHz channels 24 hours/day. If I find some spare time, I am going to try to pull those channels in. Don't know if I can from Fallston, MD, but I get all of the other DC channels.
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

MHz Worldview is one of the subchannels carried by my secondary PBS affiliate. I get the impression that it's entertainment programs from around the world, I have yet to see news (but then again I have not watched it enough). Unfortunately that is one of the OTA channels without guide data on my 622.
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 03:33 PM

About as legitimate a news channel as National Lampoon.


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