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Samsung Smart TVs Firmware 1024 and higher (RVU support) - Issues/Discussion


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#1 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:20 PM

This is an unofficial issue and discussion thread for Samsung TVs with RVU, firmware 1024.

This firmware is available as of 12/8/11.

To use RVU, make sure the HR34 is powered up, select RVU as the source, and follow the onscreen instructions.

This Setup Guide will help you configure the Samsung TV with an HR34 running the "blue UI."

A note: at this time the only approved RVU setup option is a truck roll, in other words, allowing DIRECTV to do the install. However, if you have a spare broadband DECA it is possible to do this install yourself by hooking up the TV via the DECA.

The Samsung TV remote can be used to control the RVU client but I'm still working out the particulars of what button goes where.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:32 PM

Interesting, cool, wish I had one.

Good luck to everyone that has the opportunity.
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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:52 AM

Is that firmware available to all Samsung tvs, only certain models, or only certain series.

Edited by inkahauts, 10 December 2011 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:56 AM

6000 series right now. If you have certain TV's that have the same boards it's possible to trick your tv to thinking it's that type however there are some big downsides so beware if you're doing this currently to get 10pt calibrations.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 02:46 AM

This is an unofficial issue and discussion thread for Samsung TVs with RVU, firmware 1024.

This firmware is available as of 12/8/11.

To use RVU, make sure the HR34 is powered up, select RVU as the source, and follow the onscreen instructions.


Wow! That sounds pretty simple, I can't wait to try it out. :)

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 03:36 AM

i have 1 the UN55D6400, but no 34 yet, argh............maybe i'll call tomorrow & get 1.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 06:09 AM

Will my higher level pn64d7000 work?

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 07:08 AM

How about UN46C8000?

And how does it work so far Stuart? Do you have call and activate your accounts for the client?

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 08:35 AM

This is an unofficial issue and discussion thread for Samsung TVs with RVU, firmware 1024.

This firmware is available as of 12/8/11.

To use RVU, make sure the HR34 is powered up, select RVU as the source, and follow the onscreen instructions.


very interesting here! more interesting will be how they structure the pricing on this. hopefully they allow "per each client" pricing....

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 09:17 AM

very interesting here! more interesting will be how they structure the pricing on this. hopefully they allow "per each client" pricing....


Same as what I was thinking. If you get RVU working on the 6000 series, since no STB, does it track the TV info back to Directv servers via the HR34 Ethernet/broadband? Do they have to enable it? Assuming its connected to the internet.

What if the HR34 isn't internet connected?

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 09:52 AM

Downloaded and installed new firmware on a 40 inch 2011 6000 last night. Screen shows the same as before, no reference to Rvu. I guess it has to recognize an HR34 on the network before it display the Rvu screen?

Waiting for an HR34.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 09:53 AM

Checked my PN51D8000, it's running 1023 firmware and there is no update available as of this morning.

See post My Setup for configuration info.


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Posted 10 December 2011 - 10:13 AM

Downloaded and installed new firmware on a 40 inch 2011 6000 last night. Screen shows the same as before, no reference to Rvu. I guess it has to recognize an HR34 on the network before it display the Rvu screen?

Waiting for an HR34.

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Press your source/input button. Should list RVU as a input.
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Posted 10 December 2011 - 10:32 AM

Press your source/input button. Should list RVU as a input.


Never thought of that!

When I press Source the screen shows my 4 HR20's and also my HP Smart Media Server. If I open one of the HR20 I can see the recorded shows but if I try to play them it tells me "Not supported file format"

Is RVU the future for all remote playing?

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 11:50 AM

Never thought of that!

When I press Source the screen shows my 4 HR20's and also my HP Smart Media Server. If I open one of the HR20 I can see the recorded shows but if I try to play them it tells me "Not supported file format"

Is RVU the future for all remote playing?


No HR34 = No RVU

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:12 PM

Downloaded and installed new firmware on a 40 inch 2011 6000 last night. Screen shows the same as before, no reference to Rvu. I guess it has to recognize an HR34 on the network before it display the Rvu screen?

Waiting for an HR34.

Rene


u got the 1024? i didn't see it available on mine, still has the 1023, and nothing on Samsungsupport.com either. but i'm not with 34 yet any how.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:28 PM

No HR34 = No RVU


Who is to say that Directv wont release support for a single RVU stream on the HR2* series in the future? As RVU becomes more prevalent it could save them $$ by the consumer using devices with build in RVU clients instead of having to obtain a second device.

Thinking about RVU clients. How about a Blueray player that would support RVU clients? It would be convenient for us, as we dont use the one in the family room that often and the other TV could connect to it from other locations inside the house!

TEXASMOOSE: I checked this morning and there is no new firmware for the Samsung D6000's on their website, but the TV set founded last night with the built in Internet update from the menu.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:38 PM

Who is to say that Directv wont release support for a single RVU stream on the HR2* series in the future? As RVU becomes more prevalent it could save them $$ by the consumer using devices with build in RVU clients instead of having to obtain a second device.

Thinking about RVU clients. How about a Blueray player that would support RVU clients? It would be convenient for us, as we dont use the one in the family room that often and the other TV could connect to it from other locations inside the house!

TEXASMOOSE: I checked this morning and there is no new firmware for the Samsung D6000's on their website, but the TV set founded last night with the built in Internet update from the menu.


Who is talking about future products. This response was with regards to your comments about not seeing any RVU option on your Samsung.

As for putting RVU into older HR2x products, not very likley as the technology won't support it.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:46 PM

Who is to say that Directv wont release support for a single RVU stream on the HR2* series in the future? As RVU becomes more prevalent it could save them $$ by the consumer using devices with build in RVU clients instead of having to obtain a second device.


I'll be the guy who says that. RVU requires the sending device (DirecTV box) decode the source stream, overlay the video and audio and reencode the output into h.264 and AAC (I think AAC). The DirecTV boxes other than the HR34 lack the hardware required to decode video, composite it and then reencode it into h.264 on the fly.

So it doesn't seem possible existing devices will ever do RVU. Future HR2x's with new hardware might do it though. But honestly I think the "home media server" idea only makes sense if you have a single (for most people) server for all your clients, and that means more than 2 tuners.
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Posted 10 December 2011 - 01:01 PM

I am sorry, but I provided some incorrect information earlier! The TV did download 1024 last night, but it did not install until just a few minutes ago when I went to the menu and told it to upgrade!

Now, when I press the source button on the remote, I don't see the 4 HR20's, but I do see in gray meaning that it is NOT a valid source (since I don't have an HR34 yet) the RVU choice.

Sorry for the erroneus information.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 01:30 PM

flipptyfloppity:

I am really not familiar with the RVU client nor with the computing power on Samsung 6000 series, but it does sound logical that the RVU, at least on the current iteration, would not have the resources to decode the source stream into a usable format, I think it would be too much for Directv although they have done the incredible such as SWM and 1080P support on the HR20, to pull out of the HR2* "magic box of tricks" to provide a way to decode the stream.

Also agree with you on the idea of a "Media Center Server", but thought when I originally saw on my TV the 4 HR20, before realizing that I had not upgraded the TV to firmware 1024 that maybe DTV could be thinking of providing a simple and inexpensive way for them to compete in a 2 TV's household market.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 02:42 PM

flipptyfloppity:

I am really not familiar with the RVU client nor with the computing power on Samsung 6000 series, but it does sound logical that the RVU, at least on the current iteration, would not have the resources to decode the source stream into a usable format, I think it would be too much for Directv although they have done the incredible such as SWM and 1080P support on the HR20, to pull out of the HR2* "magic box of tricks" to provide a way to decode the stream.

Also agree with you on the idea of a "Media Center Server", but thought when I originally saw on my TV the 4 HR20, before realizing that I had not upgraded the TV to firmware 1024 that maybe DTV could be thinking of providing a simple and inexpensive way for them to compete in a 2 TV's household market.

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gonna say i think its more of a hardware component that the older boxes lack that keeps them from being able to take on RVU.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 03:04 PM

Anybody know how the TV would connect to the HR34?
Can you run the Coax cable to one of the antenna inputs or is it thru ethernet/wifi?

I know the samsung can decode H.264 since I stream content (mostly 720p) from my NAS server.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 03:17 PM

Anybody know how the TV would connect to the HR34?
Can you run the Coax cable to one of the antenna inputs or is it thru ethernet/wifi?

I know the samsung can decode H.264 since I stream content (mostly 720p) from my NAS server.


wanna say itll be through ethernet or DECA dongle attached to coax pluging with other end getting you ethernet to your tv.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 03:54 PM

I'll be the guy who says that. RVU requires the sending device (DirecTV box) decode the source stream, overlay the video and audio and reencode the output into h.264 and AAC (I think AAC). The DirecTV boxes other than the HR34 lack the hardware required to decode video, composite it and then reencode it into h.264 on the fly.

If anything is being done to the source audio/video data at all, IMO, the HR34 is decrypting the source stream and re-encrypting it, though I'm not even sure it needs to work that hard. I say this because the RVU LAN clients are probably authenticated before they're allowed to communicate with the HR34 at all, so re-encryption may not be necessary from a DRM standpoint.

My guess is the HR34 is just overlaying the RVU GUI when required, not terribly processor intensive. So if in fact the HR2x's are not capable of RVU, it wouldn't be because the HR34 has superior processing capabilities. If the HR34 does have a faster CPU and more memory, that extra horsepower is liekly being utilized to manage 5 tuners worth of scheduling and prioritization, and the ability to serve and manage up to three simultaneous client video streams with trickplay.

BTW, I believe the processing horsepower required to re-encode H.264 in real time at the 8mbps-10mbps DirecTV MPEG-4 bitrates can probably only be found on the dedicated encoders DirecTV themselves use to transcode network source MPEG-2 feeds and uplink them to the satellites. Just my .02.
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