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#51 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:05 PM

There will be an agreement there isn't a special upgrade just for this just like when NASA went to MPEG-4. Pricing will be based on the account.


Possibly, but remember, NASA was always a free service. Baby wasn't, you had to pay specifically for that channel. Makes the circumstances a little different. I guess we will find out in time.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:15 PM

I was a fan of DirecTV until a few days ago.

Using "Public Interest Obligation" law to justify moving Baby First TV, a standard-definition channel, to a satellite location that requires HD equipment.

In other words, getting Baby First TV "free" requires upgraded equipment, payment of a monthly access fee, and signing a fresh two-year commitment. first-year costs of at least $120, $219 if one is not eligible for a free equipment upgrade. $15 per month remaining in the new contract if one needs to cancel.

leveraging a "public interest obligation" requirement into a basically coercive HD migration marketing initiative. . .ka-ching!

i already have complained, and you can too. go to fcc.gov, select "complaint" on the upper right. I used the options for "satellite provider," "marketing communication," and "false or misleading." it's hard to find the selections that applied, but since they are advertising this change on Baby First, you can basically complain that DirecTV's advertising message is false.

Seriously, there is no way they have to put this channel on an HD satellite location. it's a freaking standard definition channel.





Let's insert some facts into this thread. Comments like the one above and other comments like "they pulled this same thing with NASA" is nonsense.

This is not the case at all on a number of levels. Directv is required to have a certain number of PIO channels at various orbital slots by a percentage of total channels offered. The number is 4%. They needed to add another at 99/103 slot to be in compliance with that mandate. No different than NASA and GOD TV changes. There is no "ploy". As DTV has added channels at 99 and 103, they needed to also add PIO channels at those slots per the FCC.

From what I understand, the majority of Baby First customers have at least one HD receiver and are not affected. A small minority do not have MPEG4 HD equipment, but most of them are eligible for discounted or even free HD hardware upgrades. Not all, but most.

DTV is now allowing for the channel to be free to all of its customers that have HD equipment starting in mid January. It's unfortunate that some customers will have to upgrade to continue viewing BabyFirst, but to suggest this is a way to force HD upgrades is incorrect especially when considering why the channel is moving to the PIO designation in the first place. If DTV was forcing HD upgrades on people as some kind of ploy, they sure would have been smarter to pick a service that has many more subscribers than BabyFirst does. The accusation is ridiculous on all levels.

In the end, the vast majority of customers will get a channel for free that they would have had to pay for in the past. That's a good thing. Unfortunately, a small handful of customers will have to get an HD upgrade or not get the channel. What are these customers going to do in a few years when SD is no longer offered? Complain then as well? Get over it.

If you don't want to pay for the HD Access fee, go to auto bill pay and get it waived.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:47 AM

Yes, at the point that SD is no longer offered I would have to complain and/or drop DTV entirely. Due to line of sight issues I can see none of the HD satellites. I see the SD satellite through a notch between two trees. The trees blocking LOS are all on my neighbors property so removing them is not an option.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:11 AM

What are "PIO" channels?
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:53 AM

What are "PIO" channels?


http://transition.fc...8/nrin8038.html

Mentions the 4% allocation already discussed earlier in this thread.
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#56 OFFLINE   inkahauts

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:00 PM

Yes, at the point that SD is no longer offered I would have to complain and/or drop DTV entirely. Due to line of sight issues I can see none of the HD satellites. I see the SD satellite through a notch between two trees. The trees blocking LOS are all on my neighbors property so removing them is not an option.


Are you sure about that? 99 and 103 spots are very close to 101 and usually if you can see 101 you can see the other two. Now it used to be all the hd came from 110 and. 119 and those two locations had all kinds of Los issues because they where so much further away, but that's changed, so if you haven't had that checked since then, I'd check again. I'd be amazed if your window is that small, That's an extremely rare situation.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:18 PM

DTV is now allowing for the channel to be free to all of its customers that have HD equipment starting in mid January.


Right now there is a monthly charge for BFTV a la carte. Starting mid-January they are making it available for free to all customers. But I am sure they will have to pay a monthly carriage fee to whomever owns BFTV. Pretty sure moving to this "free" channel is going to cost *D more in carriage fees...

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:46 PM

Right now there is a monthly charge for BFTV a la carte. Starting mid-January they are making it available for free to all customers. But I am sure they will have to pay a monthly carriage fee to whomever owns BFTV. Pretty sure moving to this "free" channel is going to cost *D more in carriage fees...


I wouldn't bet on that, it's possible they redid the entire contract so the payment comes out the same, but the channel will still win by being able to get more from advertising dollars by having a higher customer base.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:51 PM

...but the channel will still win by being able to get more from advertising dollars by having a higher customer base.


Does this channel even show advertising?

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:57 PM

So now I can get Baby First TV, that`s put on HD transponder space that could have been used to carry Fox Sports Ohio/Cinci HD.

Great, Ohio sports fans lose out again.

Betting babies can really tell the difference.
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 01:48 PM

A) Why in the H*LL is a 5 month old in front of any kind of electronic screen.

B) If I'm correct in assuming that it has been moved to either 99 or 103, then any DirecTV system that can't get it is in the dark ages and it's owners should get with the program. I am routinely baffled as to why people who pay for TV don't have HDTV. They just don't get it.

If anything gets moved to 119, then I feel bad for people in the big DMAs, since they all seem to get installed on the Slimline-3 dishes, not the Slimline-5's that have access to 110 and 119. Here, any installation will have access to all 5, since our locals are spot'ed on 119.


Why would you pay for HDTV if all you have is SD TV Sets. Many people out there are quite happy with SD on a SD Set. I have two in my family that way. If that TV set breaks they may change at that point only because they can not buy a SD TV anymore.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 10:31 PM

Yes, at the point that SD is no longer offered I would have to complain and/or drop DTV entirely.

They would be totally stupid to do this!

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 11:09 PM

Technology changes, and unfortunately customers will have to change with it. Over time everyone will be on MPEG-4 with HD equipment. If you want to complain, drop DirecTV, or whatever then move to Dish or cable where the same thing is happening. Many cable systems are all-digital now, which is an even bigger paradigm shift for their customers than this is for DirecTV.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 03:51 AM

So now I can get Baby First TV, that`s put on HD transponder space that could have been used to carry Fox Sports Ohio/Cinci HD.

Great, Ohio sports fans lose out again.

Betting babies can really tell the difference.
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Baby First will be at that slot in SD, not HD. It takes about 5 or 6 SD channels worth of capacity for a HD channel. So Baby First being on that bird in no way prevents Fox Sports Ohio from being in HD.
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Posted 02 January 2012 - 11:21 AM

Baby First will be at that slot in SD, not HD. It takes about 5 or 6 SD channels worth of capacity for a HD channel. So Baby First being on that bird in no way prevents Fox Sports Ohio from being in HD.


Not to mention they are required to put a PI channel on that bird by the FCC AND it frees up space wherever Baby First was previously




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