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#351 OFFLINE   markrogo

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 05:33 PM

The grocery store does not force all people to buy coke to get other stuff.


My local supermarket, in fact, does make me spend $25 on groceries to get a reasonable price on Coke, however. Technically, you can buy Coke without the other stuff, but the price is insane. So long as you spend $25 elsewhere, Coke reverts to a reasonable price....

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#352 OFFLINE   markrogo

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 05:36 PM

What has me and most others mad is that NOTHING else has increased at the same rate. Think back to all your bills: gas, power, electric, phone, internet, etc. over the same time period. Assuming you didn't add new features, NONE of those items has doubled since 2002. Has your salary? Mine has only gone up roughly 60% and thats only a factor of adding more years experience.

As far as DISH goes, well, I think if you look back to 2002 and compare DISH prices, you'll see they have moved pretty much lock step with DirecTV.


Inflation alone would've taken Total Choice from $29.99 in 1999 to about $40 today (using various online calculators which take compounded CPI. Everything over $40 is explained by some combination of (a) increased costs for DirecTV (B) increased operating profits for DirecTV.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 05:42 PM

Inflation alone would've taken Total Choice from $29.99 in 1999 to about $40 today (using various online calculators which take compounded CPI. Everything over $40 is explained by some combination of (a) increased costs for DirecTV (B) increased operating profits for DirecTV.


The channel lineup in 99 was also smaller than it is today.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:08 PM

The channel lineup in 99 was also smaller than it is today.


Yeah but the shopping channels pay to be carried. :lol:

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:15 PM

with choice package you gain

610 Big Ten Network
HD simulcast
306 HDNet
HD Access required.

313 Jewelry Television Network
447 ONCE (ESP)
Public Interest Channel. Multi-sat equipment required. 119 satellite.
284 Science Channel, The
HD simulcast
855 Great Standards
Multi-sat equipment required. (m)
853 Metro Blend
Multi-sat equipment required. (m)
807 Rat Pack
Multi-sat equipment required. (m)
878 Rock en Espanol
281 Velocity
HD Access required.

and you lose

257 Chiller
308 Cloo
618 FUEL TV
HD simulcast
218 Golf Channel, The (m) (SAP)
HD simulcast
283 Nat Geo WILD
276 National Geographic Channel
HD simulcast
251 Oxygen
869 Bailamos!
867 Be-Tween
877 Carnaval Brasileiro
Multi-sat equipment required.
831 College Rock
839 Flashback/New Wave
813 Folk Rock
828 Hallelujah
825 Hot Jamz (Hip Hop)
876 Mariachi
Multi-sat equipment required.
844 Old School Funk
823 Showtunes
841 Spike (Explicit)
868 The Playground
607 Speed
HD simulcast
603 Versus
HD simulcast
307 WGN America
HD simulcast

I dont think it is worth it, you would lose cloo network (I love to watch HOUSE) :P


Yeah, I've had Total Choice since 2002 and I've always had BTN and HDNet and those since they were offered. The only channel i've ever lost was ESPN Classic when they swapped it out for ESPNU. That's why it's always been such a great deal (comparatively).

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:26 PM

Anyone know, if I add a receiver now and I'm out of contract, does that lock my price for 2 years, and I won't be affected by the increase? Might effectively give me a sizable discount on a new HD-DVR :D
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:28 PM

Anyone know, if I add a receiver now and I'm out of contract, does that lock my price for 2 years, and I won't be affected by the increase? Might effectively give me a sizable discount on a new HD-DVR :D


No. It just locks you into a 2 yr contract. During the contract, you can move around to different packages at will, but you dont lock in anything. That is only for new customers.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 07:24 PM

I've heard through the grapevine in the industry that it will not include your regional sports networks as part of the base package. So in Chicago, you would not receive your local sports teams that are on CSN Chicago. In Los Angeles, you would not see the Lakers on Fox Sports West or the Angels on Prime Ticket.

Regional sports fees are very high in certain parts of the country. Imagine the cost to DTV in the New York area with four regional sports fees (MSG, MSG+, SNY, YES) vs what they have to pay for in Milwaukee for example.


If DirecTV offered a so-called "entertainment" package with all the channels included in choice extra (or whatever it changes to) minus sports channels, I'd switch instantly. I NEVER watch ANY sports channel (I hate sports) and I know a lot of friends with DirecTV who also never watch sports either.

Sports fanatics will pay anything to support their "addiction" so they will gladly pay through the nose for ESPN, regional sports nets, etc.- with a smile on their face no less!! :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 07:39 PM

If DirecTV offered a so-called "entertainment" package with all the channels included in choice extra (or whatever it changes to) minus sports channels, I'd switch instantly.


I am pretty much the opposite. I had SELECT, and it had every channel I watch regularly, except for two, Golf and Speed. So, for those two channels, instead of paying $44.95 a month, I have to pay $65.99 a month. DirecTv knows what they are doing. They will always make sure there are at least two must have channels available only in the expensive packages.

Personally I wish they would have a "News" package, "Science" package, "Sports" package, "General entertainment" package, and "Non-Premium Movie" package. I wouldnt hesitate to sub to the News, Science, and Sports package, but have no interest in the entertainment channels or commercial laden movie channels.

It wont happen though, because #1, the channels themselves force the carriers into placing them everyones package so they can get revenue from 10 million rather than just those that are interested, and #2, Directv wont do it because in most cases, they would lose money, as people dropped channel groups, although if done right, that wouldnt need to be the case.

I dont see much changing until subscribers start dropping in droves from DirecTv, Dish, and cable...forcing the programmers to do something to retain customers.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 08:00 PM

2014 when D14 and D15 launch? :D


The industry believes SD will be alive and well beyond that.
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 08:00 PM

The industry believes SD will be alive and well beyond that.

Gosh we hope not. LOL

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 08:01 PM

If DirecTV offered a so-called "entertainment" package with all the channels included in choice extra (or whatever it changes to) minus sports channels, I'd switch instantly. I NEVER watch ANY sports channel (I hate sports) and I know a lot of friends with DirecTV who also never watch sports either.

Sports fanatics will pay anything to support their "addiction" so they will gladly pay through the nose for ESPN, regional sports nets, etc.- with a smile on their face no less!! :rolleyes:




i was going to type something about this "entertainment package" but you said it for me. i completely agree with you. i do hope they offer a package like that. if they did i would switch in a heartbeat.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 09:13 PM

I cancelled another programming option to bring my bill down under $100 again.

My goal is about $100/month for my Directv bill. When I started with Directv, my bill included all the premium channels and a sports package. Now I am down to a basic package and many fees.

Next year I may have to cancel the basic package to cover the fees.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 09:28 PM

The industry believes SD will be alive and well beyond that.


I can see some channels staying SD but moving to mpeg4 or at least cable and sat moving to mepg 4 sd.

How long does directv plan to keep the out boxes out there??
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Posted 30 December 2011 - 11:03 PM

The channel lineup in 99 was also smaller than it is today.


(not count HD simulcast, HD Extra, locals, or DNS additions,) I count about 4-5 channels added since then that I care about. I would say there were more, but most of those channels were just re-brandings.

I have Total Choice Xtra. Not counting the local channels, the DNS channels, or the HD Extra package, there are 29 channels that I receive that I TRULY care about. I think that's why most people get upset... I honestly don't care about the majority of channels that I get, but unfortunately, I have to subscribe to a higher priced package in order to get the channels I do want.... not to mention fees to be able to watch it in multiple rooms, fees to record it, etc.

I'm not one to champion a la carte, because I don't believe it would work in reality, but it would be nice if one were to actually be able to have at least some say in customizing one's package... whether it be a set number of channels for a set amount, or decent theme packages...


I'm not complaining about the increases mind you, I've come to expect them, and continue hoping I can keep up with them for as long as possible. I'm just ranting...

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 11:06 PM

I can see some channels staying SD but moving to mpeg4 or at least cable and sat moving to mepg 4 sd.

How long does directv plan to keep the out boxes out there??


As long as there is a demand, it will be supplied.

Ex. Rv customers that have auto-aligning dishes usually have an sd dish... Also the (no offence to anyone) elderly customers we have use sd alot aswell that I have noticed

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 11:11 PM

(not count HD simulcast, HD Extra, locals, or DNS additions,) I count about 4-5 channels added since then that I care about. I would say there were more, but most of those channels were just re-brandings.

I have Total Choice Xtra. Not counting the local channels, the DNS channels, or the HD Extra package, there are 29 channels that I receive that I TRULY care about. I think that's why most people get upset... I honestly don't care about the majority of channels that I get, but unfortunately, I have to subscribe to a higher priced package in order to get the channels I do want.... not to mention fees to be able to watch it in multiple rooms, fees to record it, etc.

I'm not one to champion a la carte, because I don't believe it would work in reality, but it would be nice if one were to actually be able to have at least some say in customizing one's package... whether it be a set number of channels for a set amount, or decent theme packages...


I'm not complaining about the increases mind you, I've come to expect them, and continue hoping I can keep up with them for as long as possible. I'm just ranting...

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I do agree my good sir.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:48 AM

The industry believes SD will be alive and well beyond that.


I can believe that. Whenever I travel by car I notice there are far more SD dishes mounted on homes then HD dishes.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:00 AM

(not count HD simulcast, HD Extra, locals, or DNS additions,) I count about 4-5 channels added since then that I care about. I would say there were more, but most of those channels were just re-brandings.

I have Total Choice Xtra. Not counting the local channels, the DNS channels, or the HD Extra package, there are 29 channels that I receive that I TRULY care about. I think that's why most people get upset... I honestly don't care about the majority of channels that I get, but unfortunately, I have to subscribe to a higher priced package in order to get the channels I do want.... not to mention fees to be able to watch it in multiple rooms, fees to record it, etc.

I'm not one to champion a la carte, because I don't believe it would work in reality, but it would be nice if one were to actually be able to have at least some say in customizing one's package... whether it be a set number of channels for a set amount, or decent theme packages...


I'm not complaining about the increases mind you, I've come to expect them, and continue hoping I can keep up with them for as long as possible. I'm just ranting...

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I think I disagree a little bit. To me, the best thing about all these channels isn't that I watch them all allof the time, but the little gems I find that make me smile. I never watched Ovation until Slings and Arrows was on, now I'd like it in HD. I never even knew what Link TV was until Borgen started. Now I'm looking at some of their other programing. I don't watch religious or shopping channels, but I think they pay to be carried so they're not costing me anything.

Maybe it's because I'm old and remember the days of 4 channels in our home as a kid, but I just like to have the choices, even if I don't normally use them.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:41 AM

The industry believes SD will be alive and well beyond that.

From what I've been reading one third of households are still SD only (multiple sources from Google). Not to mention the number of households that have both. Most people I know still have an SDTV.

It'll be years before we can get rid of SD.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 09:58 AM

(not count HD simulcast, HD Extra, locals, or DNS additions,) I count about 4-5 channels added since then that I care about. I would say there were more, but most of those channels were just re-brandings.

I have Total Choice Xtra. Not counting the local channels, the DNS channels, or the HD Extra package, there are 29 channels that I receive that I TRULY care about. I think that's why most people get upset... I honestly don't care about the majority of channels that I get, but unfortunately, I have to subscribe to a higher priced package in order to get the channels I do want.... not to mention fees to be able to watch it in multiple rooms, fees to record it, etc.

I'm not one to champion a la carte, because I don't believe it would work in reality, but it would be nice if one were to actually be able to have at least some say in customizing one's package... whether it be a set number of channels for a set amount, or decent theme packages...


I'm not complaining about the increases mind you, I've come to expect them, and continue hoping I can keep up with them for as long as possible. I'm just ranting...

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I am with you - which is why at one point we gave up TV altogether - could not see the point of paying for things we hardly watched - even out of the 29 or so channels there was only maybe one or 2 programs a week worth watching and we could live without them (and did for 9 months or so).

When I first moved to the US (about 2004) a friend of mine had local cable tv and a package. He wanted Speed which wasnt in his package. But he called them and they add the channel for $5 a month.

I like that option. I would like to add a channel or two for that price and drop my package to a lower one. Adding too many means I would just be better getting the next package up. I think Directv could revisit this as I would suspect they would probably make overall.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 10:28 AM

I like that option. I would like to add a channel or two for that price and drop my package to a lower one. Adding too many means I would just be better getting the next package up. I think Directv could revisit this as I would suspect they would probably make overall.


I have always been a fan of the "package + 2" option. At $5 a piece, for channels probably costing DirecTv < 50 cents, I dont see where it would be a loss on their part either. Since the expensive channels (ESPN) are already mandated to be included in all packages except the loss leader (Family), it would be a good move on DirecTv's part, and the loss of revenue from those channels in the higher packs would cause those channels to rethink their worth.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 10:59 AM

http://articles.lati...azarus-20111227

Article about price increases at Time Warner, some going up more than 50%

Now you're starting to sound as dramatic as some of us when we post things. ;) The only thing increasing 50% is installation costs, which are negotiable. Although their programming costs do appear to be jumping more then DIRECTV's average of 4% that was mentioned.

Some rates will be significantly higher, such as a 27.4% increase to $17 from $13.34 just to receive local broadcast channels.Others will be modestly higher, such as a 9.5% increase to $69 from $63 for broadcast plus basic cable channels, or a 7.3% increase to $58.99 from $54.99 for the digital video package...

...Some of the biggest jumps in Time Warner's rates will be seen on the installation front. The cost of wiring your home for video, Internet or phone service will soar 51.5% to $49.99 from $32.99. Installing Time Warner's Wi-Fi service will jump 40% to $69.99 from $49.99.

Time Warner's Gordon said that these are just the "rack rates" and that most customers will pay less for installation after cutting a deal for their programming package.


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Posted 31 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

I am confused by the pricing.

I have the legacy HD-DVR package, which is going to $86.99 a month. It's basically the choice xtra package. I am getting a $10 HD credit at the moment. This nets to $76.99

Choice Xtra is going away it appears as of February, leaving Choice and Choice ultimate.

Choice Ultimate is $74.99 and Choice is $73.99; do these packages include HD? I can't tell anymore. I don't see the $10 HD charge listed. If so, would I be better off with Choice Ultimate?

Or trying to change to Choice Xtra before the package goes away?

What happens to my HD credit when the 24 months are up?

Am I basically paying more to be on a legacy package?

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 12:44 PM

Now you're starting to sound as dramatic as some of us when we post things. ;) The only thing increasing 50% is installation costs, which are negotiable. Although their programming costs do appear to be jumping more then DIRECTV's average of 4% that was mentioned.

Agreed. The tone of the article seemed to be against Time Warner.

When the "rack rate" install increased was explained by TW as being driven by higher employee costs the article muses "Apparently Time Warner technicians are a lot better paid and are receiving significantly better medical benefits than they were a year ago." Health care costs ARE shooting up. The same medical benefits for 2012 as were offered in 2011 are much more expensive. And while that rate went up, it went up to under $50. I paid Comcrap $99 for Internet install in 2003 (and had to return the modem when I cancelled).

TW's increase seems to be the standard "cheap packages go up a higher percentage than expensive packages" approach. A couple of dollars on the cheapest package is going to appear to be a big jump. Just like when DirecTV raises a small fee by $1 --- doing the math to create a huge percentage increase isn't fair.

Also from the article was the story of a single subscriber who subscribes to a lot of stuff: "Brian Bentley, 48, of Hollywood has been a Time Warner customer for more than a decade. He gets basic cable service plus HBO, some sports channels, a digital video recorder and a couple of boxes for his two TVs." Mr Bently is expecting a 25% increase, $100 to $125. However, just to make TW sound worse he breaks it down by the hour. He claims he only watches 20 hours per month. Why he would pay $100 (soon $125) for 20 hours is his own fault! But it allows the author to push the $6.25 per hour subscription rate and make TW sound bad.

Of course most of the article's readers are probably happy to see TW slammed - whether or not it is fair. It is just another example of a big business putting the screws to the little guy and that plays well in the media. DirecTV's increase could be portrayed the same way - find the highest line item percentages and tell the most emotional charged stories possible to portray the company as bad.

And so it goes ... journalism today.




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