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Why is my Picture-In-Guide showing up as 4:3?


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#1 OFFLINE   PatrickGSR94

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 07:07 PM

Ever since the new guide was rolled out to my 2 receivers, I noticed that my HR22 displays the PIG in 4:3 format instead of the proper 16:9 format. 16:9 programming is squeezed horizontally to fit the 4:3 PIG when viewing the guide or anything else requiring the D* GUI.

I was at my parents' house this weekend and noticed theirs shows the PIG in the proper 16:9 format on their HD DVR with the new guide, however I don't know what DVR model they have.

Is there some setting to make the PIG show up in the 16:9 format? Or is it specific to the DVR box? On the old guide, the PIG on my DVR showed up in the proper 16:9 format, which is why this doesn't make any sense.

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#2 OFFLINE   mozartman

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

It is not 4x3. It is 14x9.

I measured frame size of PIG of my HR24 on my main TV with 73” screen. It came up as 14”x9” with aspect ratio of 1.55 and 14x9 proportion. Then I measured frame size of PIG of my HR22 on another TV with 42” screen. It came up 8.5”x5.5” with the same aspect ratio of 1.55 and the same 14x9 proportion.

16x9 proportion has aspect ratio of 1.78. That’s why 16x9 picture inside PIG looks squeezed horizontally because it doesn’t have correct aspect ratio.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 11:17 AM

It looks like in the converting and rearranging of graphic sections in the switch from the the SDGUI to the HDGUI, it was done by eye rather than accurate measurements.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 12:23 PM

I think you could jump to that conclusion. I don't think it was done by eye but I do admit it is neither 16:9 nor 4:3. I wish it would be one or the other.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 02:09 PM

It looks like DirecTV attempted to make the PIG the width of the left column instead of making the left column the width of of the existing SDGUI PIG.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 02:17 PM

But that wouldn't have stopped them from using the correct aspect ratio.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:07 PM

But I saw my parents' 46" Sony LCD the other day with D* DVR and the new HD guide, and their PIG looks to be the correct aspect ratio. Nothing looks squeezed in it, it looks to be the same aspect as the entire screen itself. I didn't think to actually measure, but I guess I could the next time I'm over there.

Why would their PIG looks different than mine?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:15 PM

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Why would their PIG looks different than mine?

It's when you can see both the SDGUI & HDGUI PIG on sets, is when your eyes can spot the difference.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:42 PM

I didn't think to actually measure, but I guess I could the next time I'm over there.

And this will give you answer to your question and will put your worries away for good. :)

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 07:16 PM

It is not 4x3. It is 14x9.

I measured frame size of PIG of my HR24 on my main TV with 73” screen. It came up as 14”x9” with aspect ratio of 1.55 and 14x9 proportion. Then I measured frame size of PIG of my HR22 on another TV with 42” screen. It came up 8.5”x5.5” with the same aspect ratio of 1.55 and the same 14x9 proportion.


If you measure the size of the PIG when going to the Guide from a HD channel, you get the 1.55 ratio instead of the desired 1.78.

However, if you go to the Guide while in a 480 x 720 screen [SD], you'll get a 1.12 ratio instead of the 1.33 ratio that's the 4:3 ratio of the Old Style SD.

It's the switch between these two that's the most noticeable- and it's interesting that neither one tracks the actual ratios of either SD or HD broadcasts.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 07:20 PM

Is there some setting to make the PIG show up in the 16:9 format? Or is it specific to the DVR box? On the old guide, the PIG on my DVR showed up in the proper 16:9 format, which is why this doesn't make any sense.


Settings on the TV could affect the way these display to some degree, but not enough to turn a 1.55 ratio to 1.12!

What monitor do you have?
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 08:06 PM

If you measure the size of the PIG when going to the Guide from a HD channel, you get the 1.55 ratio instead of the desired 1.78.

However, if you go to the Guide while in a 480 x 720 screen [SD], you'll get a 1.12 ratio instead of the 1.33 ratio that's the 4:3 ratio of the Old Style SD.

It's the switch between these two that's the most noticeable- and it's interesting that neither one tracks the actual ratios of either SD or HD broadcasts.

Ok Laxguy, I followed your lead.

Here are my settings:

HDTV:
Screen - 73"
Screen format - 1080i standard (no stretching, no cropping, little bit of overscan)

HDDVR:
Native - off
Screen format - crop
TV Ratio - Widescreen 16x9
Resolution - 1080i
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PIG on HD channel - 14.24x9.25" with aspect ratio of 1.55
PIG on SD channel - 14.25x9.25" with aspect ratio of 1.55.

I have the same PIG size with HR24 regardless of SD or HD channel. I didn't measure other 42" TV, but HR22 has identical settings so it should be the same PIG on any channel.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:41 PM

My test was only on an H25 (so far). Native on, "original format (screen format is unaltered)", on a 32" two year old Sammy LCD.
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