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DISH Hopper coming at CES ?


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#26 OFFLINE   CeeWoo

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:01 PM

I was wondering the same about price. Maybe in a while it'll be a free upgrade (except of course for another 2 yr committment). That's how I ended up with my 722k

I wonder how they will charge for this? I assume that each Joey will cost more per month. If so, I'll be happy with sticking with my 722K.



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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:45 PM

It all sounds cool but I don't get the description of that catch up feature...

Uh....

I have two ViP DVR's now in order to have four tuners when I need to record from four networks at the same time. As it is, I spend considerable time making sure I get whole programs, what with those 1 & 2 minute scheduled overruns which overlap competing programming.

I hope Dish doesn't overreach with a goal too complex for to be adequately written in code or creating a feature too constraining to seasoned customers.

Regarding branding "Dish" by dropping "Network" just as it's folding Blockbuster into its fold, Netflix is being called a "network" by analysts: Conceptually "channel" can mean "to convey through or as through a channel" so IMHO they may have been better off to drop the "Dish" as they expand their means of channeling programming to customers. Or maybe "Dishbuster" ... oh, that doesn't sound too good.:D



That's interesting as my VIP722k/wMT2 has four tuners(2OTA+2 Satellite) and I can record 4 programs at one time(while watching a previously recorded program.;):D

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:56 PM

most likely also sling capability and a 2 TB disk.


I wonder if the price of the 922 will go down when this new receiver comes next year?

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

That's interesting as my VIP722k/wMT2 has four tuners(2OTA+2 Satellite) and I can record 4 programs at one time(while watching a previously recorded program.;):D

Yes, you can. I can't because I can't get OTA.

What's interesting about the Hopper - and this is based on speculative discussion mostly on that other site - is that it's going to record four HD broadcast network channels off the satellite by dumping the four raw streams off one transponder onto the hard drive for future processing (meaning "parsing"). If this is true, it's a whole new approach to the satellite TV receiver system.

That almost eliminates the advantage of having an OTA tuner for recording. Over the long term, assuming it's true and they can get the system to work, it will reduce the number of Dish customers viewing directly OTA. I'm still pondering the implications.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

By the way, all I wanted was a satellite tuner module for the 722k/922 similar to the OTA module.

It seemed to me to be a relatively easy thing to accomplish cheaply and would have given Dish boxes with 3 or 4 satellite tuners.

I guess Dish did a whole bunch of marketing research that indicated it was losing out by not having a whole house system.:sure:

Sounds like they'll accomplish that just as the generation that has their nose in tablets and smart phones starts to get some money. I'm sure will want to buy extra TV's so they can break all the habits they've developed and plant their bodies in a way that makes them immobile.:rolleyes:

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:01 PM

Beyond those compelling, albeit anticipated, whole-home functionality, the Hopper introduces a DVR “catch up” feature they’ve christened Primetime Anytime. Basically, one of the three tuners appears to be co-opted to record local affiliate programming (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) between 8PM – 11PM with programming retained for about a week. Clever! Seeya, Hulu Plus? But I wonder if this sort of automated solution will raise the ire of broadcasters – who’d rather license “catch up” services.

This is great for resolving timer conflicts and pushes viewers into the "same day +7" ratings window. Since I always have a backlog of shows, that would mean cable viewing would get delayed in favor of network viewing.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:25 PM

Yes, you can. I can't because I can't get OTA.

What's interesting about the Hopper - and this is based on speculative discussion mostly on that other site - is that it's going to record four HD broadcast network channels off the satellite by dumping the four raw streams off one transponder onto the hard drive for future processing (meaning "parsing"). If this is true, it's a whole new approach to the satellite TV receiver system.

That almost eliminates the advantage of having an OTA tuner for recording. Over the long term, assuming it's true and they can get the system to work, it will reduce the number of Dish customers viewing directly OTA. I'm still pondering the implications.



Yes I forgot sorry.:o

So far the Hopper does sound very interesting. ;)

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:11 AM

courtesy of zats not funny. DISH to unveil XIP now being called Hopper at CES. http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-01/dish-network-to-unveil-hopper-whole-home-dvr/

Beyond those compelling, albeit anticipated, whole-home functionality, the Hopper introduces a DVR “catch up” feature they’ve christened Primetime Anytime. Basically, one of the three tuners appears to be co-opted to record local affiliate programming (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) between 8PM – 11PM with programming retained for about a week. Clever! Seeya, Hulu Plus? But I wonder if this sort of automated solution will raise the ire of broadcasters – who’d rather license “catch up” services.

Lastly, the article indicates that the artist formerly known DISH Network will be dropping the “Network” and going solely by DISH (along with a new logo) in regards to marketing. Which, I suppose, isn’t entirely surprising given their (questionable) acquisition of Blockbuster along with other non-satellite TV irons in the fire.



My one suggestion for Dish Network's name change is to put an exclamation point at the end of the word,so it would be...DISH!.

I would also like to see the Hopper to be able to accept Dish Network's MT2(Dual Tuner OTA)Module,then it would be 5 tuners(3 SAT+2OTA).;)

If the Hopper had that I would definitely want one!.:D

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:46 PM

My one suggestion for Dish Network's name change is to put an exclamation point at the end of the word,so it would be...DISH!.

I would also like to see the Hopper to be able to accept Dish Network's MT2(Dual Tuner OTA)Module,then it would be 5 tuners(3 SAT+2OTA).;)

If the Hopper had that I would definitely want one!.:D


On FCC pictures, the 813 has no place for MT-2. But rumors are it would be USB connected separate box (ala DTV).

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:26 PM

It all sounds cool but I don't get the description of that catch up feature...

Uh....

I have two ViP DVR's now in order to have four tuners when I need to record from four networks at the same time. As it is, I spend considerable time making sure I get whole programs, what with those 1 & 2 minute scheduled overruns which overlap competing programming.

I hope Dish doesn't overreach with a goal too complex for to be adequately written in code or creating a feature too constraining to seasoned customers.

Regarding branding "Dish" by dropping "Network" just as it's folding Blockbuster into its fold, Netflix is being called a "network" by analysts: Conceptually "channel" can mean "to convey through or as through a channel" so IMHO they may have been better off to drop the "Dish" as they expand their means of channeling programming to customers. Or maybe "Dishbuster" ... oh, that doesn't sound too good.:D


What if I don't like network TV? Can one turn that feature off?

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:01 PM

What if I don't like network TV? Can one turn that feature off?


according to Scott over at satguys, yes.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:26 PM

I wonder if the price of the 922 will go down when this new receiver comes next year?

The 922 isn't available for upgrades until the BBMP software rolls out, but with a new 2-year agreement the 922 will be $0.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:13 PM

according to Scott over at satguys, yes.


I would say according rumors at sg site ... for sure he don't have it in his hands nor have direct contact with developers. As to marketing ppl who are perhaps feeding him, those ppl are last to know what real device can do in particular version.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:30 PM

On FCC pictures, the 813 has no place for MT-2. But rumors are it would be USB connected separate box (ala DTV).



Oh crap! that's all we need,to be like DTV.Let's face it if DISH does not have it(The Hopper) setup where you can record all the Primetime programs OTA(better PQ than satellite),then they definitely screwed the pooch on that receiver too!.:nono2:

Looks like I will be watching my 722k/wMT2 for a long time to come,no Hopper for me!.Thank You Dish!.:ramblinon

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

Who really like primetime TV this much? Serious question, I just don't get it..

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:31 PM

Who really like primetime TV this much? Serious question, I just don't get it..

Me, if "this much" means enthusiasm for the simultaneous 4-broadcast-channel 1-transponder 1-satellite-receiver recording system, if I can ignore setting timers and skip through to watch what I want without worrying about those 1 and 2 minute scheduled overruns. It frees up two receivers for recording cable, premium, and I guess PBS programming.;)

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:56 PM

Who really like primetime TV this much? Serious question, I just don't get it..


In our house, several network prime time shows are on our 'gotta watch' list LOL
NCIS, NCIS LA, some of the CSI shows, Big Bang Theory., The Good Wife..I could go on, but really, our household watches quite a bit of primetime

Hey, not everything is for everyone so if it's not for you-that's totally understandable

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:02 PM

How will local ads be inserted?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:31 PM

How will local ads be inserted?

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It will be recording from your locals.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:06 PM

How will local ads be inserted?

They will be recorded as part of the combined feed. The feature records the big four networks in HD in your own market. Local commercials included.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:14 PM

With Direct already offering a whole house solution with FIVE tuners today, Dish is falling WAY behind the hardware game. I'm happy with Dish, but Directs hardware and the low to no cost of switching, makes it a hard deal to ignore.

It will take Dish a couple of years to get the bugs out of the new hardware/software and by then, the game may be over.

Dish has been losing subs for the last 2 years and Direct has been gaining. Maybe Dish's outdated hardware is part of the reason......
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:25 PM

Who really like primetime TV this much? Serious question, I just don't get it..

The 20th ranked TV show Dec. 26, 2011-Jan. 1, 2012 had 7,117,000 estimated viewers. Someone is watching.

And as much as I pay for satellite TV it is embarrassing how many of my timers are set for free OTA programming (delivered via satellite). This looks like a good way of catching conflicting shows on competing networks as well as catching the end and beginning of shows that don't quite fit their timeslot (epilogs airing as the next show begins) without needing to choose in advance what program to watch. It will free up the other tuners for non-big 4 and "cable" channels.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

If the Primetime feature would have create own segments by real start/stop timemarks of programs with good search features ..

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:08 PM

If the Primetime feature would have create own segments by real start/stop timemarks of programs with good search features ..

That's one of the issues I have with the whole record Prime-time thing. If I can't later trim and transfer what I want to individual recorded events to watch later, I might as well use the timers I already, and quite successfully, use to record shows now. Sometimes it's weeks before I have the time to watch a show and while that might not be an issue for most people, I don't like the idea of shows falling off the back just because I couldn't get to them in time. So, I'd probably turn that feature off and as a side benefit, have less hard drive racking and more space for other uses. That is, provided that the firmware is stable enough.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:39 PM

Without knowing specifically how the Prime-Time feature works, its all speculative as to what can be done with it. Once we get the details, presumably. sometime today all should be revealed.
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