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WHDH,WLVI (Boston) WSVN (Miami) 1/13 Carriage Dispute


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#1 OFFLINE   noahproblem

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:19 PM

DIRECTV's statement about carriage of Sunbeam Network Corporation channels

That message on D*'s website about this latest dispute doesn't sound as confrontational as the one they had with Fox a couple of months ago, but I'm concerned since there are only 3 stations involved (albeit in two major cities) if they don't come to an agreement will this dispute fall through the cracks and be put on the back burner at D*.

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#2 OFFLINE   PrinceLH

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:22 PM

DIRECTV's statement about carriage of Sunbeam Network Corporation channels

That message on D*'s website about this latest dispute doesn't sound as confrontational as the one they had with Fox a couple of months ago, but I'm concerned since there are only 3 stations involved (albeit in two major cities) if they don't come to an agreement will this dispute fall through the cracks and be put on the back burner at D*.

Interesting. What affiliation, are these stations?

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:25 PM

Interesting. What affiliation, are these stations?


WHDH (7) - NBC
WLVI (56) - CW

WSVN (7) - Fox

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:25 PM

Well, you can be heartened by the fact DTV seems to get things like this taken care of most of the time before any actual channel loss occurs.
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I think Fox was just a very situational thing. Probably won't see anything like that for quite awhile, and was mostly Fox.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:32 PM

Hopefully that will be the case, and, at least for me WHDH is one of the easiest OTA channels to receive via antenna if the worst happens.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 10:48 AM

they better get this settled.
The Bruins play like 5 times in the coming months on NBC (channel 7 in mass where i live).

This best get settled especially after prices just went up.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:21 AM

Here we go again .....
It's cr*p like this that's a big contributor to those price increases!

Fortunately DirecTV has a good track record of settling these contract negotiations before the stations are yanked.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:21 PM

Gee, where am I going to get my 18+ hours of "breaking news" and incessant network pre-empts :rolleyes:

I know it's not possible under current regulations -- I just wish that these local affiliates could compete with one-another on price, vs. the "right" to eyeballs within a geographic area.

I'd gladly take the Providence locals if it shaved money off the monthly bill...

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

One small update that may or not may mean anything: On WHDH's web site, the notice about the negotiations is now only about D* - there was a cable system (whose name I've forgotten but I believe started with "Media") who was also in negotiations but are no longer in the notice, so I assume that part was settled.

After (thankfully) totally botching my prediction about the Fox dispute (for those who don't remember I thought that one would outlast the Versus dispute) I'll leave it to the experts to read this tea leaf.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 06:07 PM

It seems that a 7-1 (SD) has been added to the guide recently. Wonder if the negotiations involve the alternate streams... The alternate here in Boston is This TV (7.2). Wouldn't suprise me to see Sunbeam and its leader Darth Ansin hold out to add another three viewers to its alternate streams...

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:32 PM

It seems that a 7-1 (SD) has been added to the guide recently. Wonder if the negotiations involve the alternate streams... The alternate here in Boston is This TV (7.2). Wouldn't suprise me to see Sunbeam and its leader Darth Ansin hold out to add another three viewers to its alternate streams...


I think that's just a placeholder channel for announcements - there's a similar "channel" at 56-1 (they did the same thing according to this recent local dispute thread) - which have been up since Tuesday morning (that's how I found out about the dispute in the first place).

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 06:25 PM

As of 6pm here in Ft Lauderdale/Miami still no agreement between DTV and WSVN Fox. It's ok though b/c i got my hr20-700 with my ota antenna on the roof still hooked in!!

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 08:11 PM

The latest...
http://blogs.sun-sen...nd-directv.html

Also being discussed on this thread..
http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=200838

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:26 PM

And where off the air...

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:46 AM

^^^
That s*cks! Usually these things are resolved before that happens.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:29 AM

I received this in an email this AM

Sunbeam Television Shuts Out DIRECTV NFL Fans in Miami in Attempt to Extract 300 Percent Pay Increase

Sunbeam Pulls WSVN (Miami) and WHDH/ WLVI (Boston) Off of DIRECTV, Refuses Request to Keep Channels Up While Talks Continue Leaving Their Viewers Out in the Cold



EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Sunbeam Television, a Miami-based station owner, today denied DIRECTV customers in its south Florida hometown access to their local FOX station, blacking out this Saturday's and Sunday's NFL divisional playoff games in an egregious attempt to extract a more than 300 percent increase in fees. As a result of Sunbeam's actions, DIRECTV customers in Boston have also lost their local NBC and CW affiliates.



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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:17 AM

The NFL playoff game between NO and SF starts at 4:30pm EST. Both sides are probably playing chicken until the ump comes out and flips the coin. Then we'll see if it's heads or tails...
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:30 PM

300% increase!!! Crazy.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:46 PM

300% increase!!! Crazy.


I don't know who's to blame and being the NYC DMA this doesn't affect me directly, but one thing I do know...NEVER believe either side's numbers.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:49 PM

I don't know who's to blame and being the NYC DMA this doesn't affect me directly, but one thing I do know...NEVER believe either side's numbers.


Don't believe them but if they say 300% increase it's probably around 200%. That's still a huge demand.
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:51 PM

I don't know who's to blame and being the NYC DMA this doesn't affect me directly, but one thing I do know...NEVER believe either side's numbers.


Don't believe them but if they say 300% increase it's probably around 200%. That's still a huge demand.

I'm not going to defend DirecTV, as they're big enough to do it themselves.

Here's what I think comes from WSVN

not to defend the whole ordeal, but most viewers are not aware that WSVN doesn't really have the option anymore to forgo retrans fees.

I don't know the details but the FOX network now requires all affiliates in markets 1 to 125 to pay them $0.25 per pay tv subsriber per month, going up to $0.50 within 3 years, then re-negotiated again and they've said $1 per month per subscriber is a fair and it's the goal for the future. The stations that refused the offer were not renewed, tho it was mostly in smaller cities.

In South Florida that means WSVN have to pay about $14,000,000 to FOX by the 3rd year. That's just for the priviledge to carry 2 hours a day of FOX and they get to keep maybe 2 minutes of advertising total in prime time.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 02:58 PM

Ha Ha sitting here watching Fox NFL pregame show on WSVN down here in ft lauderdale/miami via my HR20-700 and OTA. Screw you greedy Sunbeam!! Cant stop me! I wonder if Sunbeam knows the a big number of DTV subscribers own receivers with OTA inputs and can just watch their channels OTA?

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

Ha Ha sitting here watching Fox NFL pregame show on WSVN down here in ft lauderdale/miami via my HR20-700 and OTA. Screw you greedy Sunbeam!! Cant stop me! I wonder if Sunbeam knows the a big number of DTV subscribers own receivers with OTA inputs and can just watch their channels OTA?


They don't care how you watch just as long as you watch.

From their crappy web page:

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Notice to DirecTV subscribers: Sunbeam Television Corporation, the parent company of WSVN-TV Channel 7, could not come to an agreement regarding a renewal of its carriage agreement with DirecTV. As of now,, you will not be able to view WSVN-TV Channel 7 on DirecTV, but you can receive Channel 7 over the air and from other cable and satellite providers. If you would like to voice your concerns to DirecTV, here's the number to call. 1-800-531 5000.


I hate wsvn just because they constantly cut away as soon as a game or race ends for their stupid precious news. They can't wait a few minutes longer?
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:49 PM

With the exception of SNL, I never watch WHDH any how. How do they justify such an increase when the programing sucks so bad...what, maybe thats why they are doing this. Bad programing = bad ad revenue...hmmmm

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 03:57 PM

With the exception of SNL, I never watch WHDH any how. How do they justify such an increase when the programing sucks so bad...what, maybe thats why they are doing this. Bad programing = bad ad revenue...hmmmm


I agree. Part of me wants to call WHDH and thank them for removing their crappy station from my lineup. I can live without you, thank you very much.




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