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WHDH,WLVI (Boston) WSVN (Miami) 1/13 Carriage Dispute


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#101 OFFLINE   Athlon646464

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 12:58 PM

Networks are the ones in control. They have the option to pull their network programming off an affiliate at any time. Sunbeam was obligated to run that game and Idol or risk losing their Fox affiliation to another company. Networks would rather see their Primetime programming run tape-delayed on another networks affiliate in a market than not air at all.


I don't think so........

If Fox or NBC or CW had that much control in this case, none of their programming would be blacked out. It's the owner of the stations, and has been reported as such.

You are correct in that a network can pull their programming, but they can't make an affiliate show it. Affiliates have refused to air certain programs in the past.

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#102 OFFLINE   HoTat2

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:57 PM

Hey people look;

I definitely feel for you, but you've really got to stop blaming, pleading, or trying to otherwise pressure DIRECTV to turn on DNS service for you. I assure you the rules are very restrictive on that service and carry heavy penalties if an MSO violates them.

This is something Dish Network can attest to. They were caught in violation of DNS rules a while back and had their license to "directly" offer the service suspended for some four years as a result.

The problem is the government really has got to change the rules (and I know that's asking for near "mission impossible" for them to do anything worthwhile these days :rolleyes: ) that give the local TV stations these monopolistic powers over viewer markets this way. The rules were not intended for this, but TV group owners like Sunbeam are exploiting them anyway to extort ever higher retransmission fees from the MSOs.

#103 OFFLINE   Boston_bill

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:08 PM

If you saw John Kerry last night, the response wasn't favorable.


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#104 OFFLINE   Athlon646464

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:12 PM

If you saw John Kerry last night, the response wasn't favorable.


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Do you think Sunbeam did that to him?

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#105 OFFLINE   Terry K

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:35 PM

I don't think so........

If Fox or NBC or CW had that much control in this case, none of their programming would be blacked out. It's the owner of the stations, and has been reported as such.

You are correct in that a network can pull their programming, but they can't make an affiliate show it. Affiliates have refused to air certain programs in the past.


Actually the network can force an alternative should they have to. FOX added that to new contracts that in the case of retrans issues they can import their programming (and only network) into cable systems directly.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:52 PM

Expect more disputes like these in the future. Sunbeam's contract with Comcast will be up later this summer. It will be interesting whether they will be singing the same tune with them.

The real culprit is the networks want a piece of the retrans fees the affiliates are getting from cable & sat companies. Fox apparently wants more than the others. If an affiliate balks, well Fox yanks their programming & moves it to another affiliate. No doubt Sunbeam is probably charging even more to cover what Fox is squeezing them for. That's my theory at least.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:44 PM

and we're back. Glad they settled.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 05:59 PM

Yes Go Pats

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:02 PM

Educated guess on terms.

50 cents a month, going to 1 dollar by year 5 of contract.
Since 1995 the average cable bill has increased 122%, while TV consumption per household just 13%.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 06:33 PM

Is there a way to edit the title of this thread? (Mods?) Since I started the thread I wanted to update the title to indicate the dispute was resolved but I can't figure out how to change it.

Thankfully I finally get to ask this question, BTW.

#111 OFFLINE   Blurayfan

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:30 PM

Is there a way to edit the title of this thread? (Mods?) Since I started the thread I wanted to update the title to indicate the dispute was resolved but I can't figure out how to change it.

Thankfully I finally get to ask this question, BTW.


Only the mods can update title after the thread is read and the first reply is given.

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#112 OFFLINE   Garry

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:35 PM

Expect more disputes like these in the future. Sunbeam's contract with Comcast will be up later this summer. It will be interesting whether they will be singing the same tune with them.

The real culprit is the networks want a piece of the retrans fees the affiliates are getting from cable & sat companies. Fox apparently wants more than the others. If an affiliate balks, well Fox yanks their programming & moves it to another affiliate. No doubt Sunbeam is probably charging even more to cover what Fox is squeezing them for. That's my theory at least.


Since one of Sunbean's stations in Boston is an NBC affiliate, it would be an interesting situation if there's a conflict with Comcast. I don't think they will try to use leverage in Boston. They wouldn't like to lose their network affiliation.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:53 PM

A mod can lock it and post the URL to the thread stating it's resolved if they want to. Otherwise this thread will die eventually.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 08:59 PM

A good idea.
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