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#21 OFFLINE   Earl Bonovich

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:45 AM

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Sorry.. I think the later rule is what is wrong...
4 years for taking the life of someone else, is what isn't correct.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:01 AM

I do think that there is a difference between preventing piracy and creating censorship, and somewhere in the middle is a reasonable copyright policy that encourages innovation while protecting artists for a REASONABLE period of time.


Heh. Like movies for 99 years!! :nono::nono2:
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:04 AM

There are no such things as SOPA and PIPA regulations. These were BILLS that had not been passed into law. Heck, they hadn't even made it out of their respective chambers yet. Megaupload was taken down using current laws. This could certainly serve as proof that we don't NEED *new* laws, enforcing old one will serve quite nicely, thankyouverymuch.


Heh. Way too simple and straightforward, methinks!
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:08 AM

Personal Opinion:

Sorry.. I think the later rule is what is wrong...
4 years for taking the life of someone else, is what isn't correct.


Agreed.

But the illustration said "killed". Is that what happened, really? Or just some terrible lapses in judgement?
I didn't follow the case, and I don't even play a lawyer on TV or stage, but was this not manslaughter?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:30 PM

Manslaughter and killed = the same thing. Murder is a different story.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:59 PM

Manslaughter and killed = the same thing. Murder is a different story.


Manslaughter = woops

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

Interesting turn this took, with the question essentially: does the punishment fit the crime?

Is piracy worse than manslaughter (justifying an extra year of incarceration for piracy)? On the face of it, no.

Piracy of IP content is a white collar crime that many think is victim-less, but I'm not sure of that, yet I do have a problem with someone only serving 4 years for manslaughter versus 5 years for piracy.

Then I think about another "white collar crime" involving theft of intellectual property that can result in a life sentence or execution: espionage and stealing/selling state secrets. And I have no problem with a life sentence for a traitor.

I guess what I would settle on is that all crime and punishment has to be relative, and this is why we have juries and judges and appeals processes in the event that a punishment is too harsh...

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:02 PM

Interesting turn this took, with the question essentially: does the punishment fit the crime?

Is piracy worse than manslaughter (justifying an extra year of incarceration for piracy)?

Piracy of IP content is a white collar crime that many think is victim-less, but I'm not sure of that, yet I do have a problem with someone only serving 4 years for manslaughter versus 5 years for piracy.


This is the kind of thing that causes jail/prison overcrowding. Too many people facing or doing time for non-violent offenses.

This should be a civil matter only, not criminal. Reasonable fines, penalties or restitution, but no jail time.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 05:32 PM

A New Zealand judge has ruled that investigators obtained evidence unlawfully in a search of Megaupload.com founder Kim Dotcom’s home, dealing a huge blow to the U.S. case against the online file-sharing company.

High Court Chief Justice Helen Winkelmann said in the ruling Thursday that warrants used by New Zealand authorities to conduct the search at the FBI's behest were too broadly defined and “did not adequately describe the offenses to which they were related.”

“Indeed, they fell well short of that,” she said in the 56-page ruling. “They were general warrants, and as such, are invalid.”


http://www.latimes.c...0,3879393.story


(Reuters) - Search warrants used when 70 New Zealand police raided the mansion of the suspected kingpin of an Internet piracy ring were illegal, a New Zealand court ruled on Thursday, dealing a blow to the FBI's highest profile global copyright theft case.

German national Kim Dotcom, also known as Kim Schmitz, was one of four men arrested in January as part of an investigation of his Megaupload.com website led by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

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On Thursday, High Court Judge Justice Helen Winkelmann found the warrants used in the seizure of property from Dotcom's mansion near Auckland were illegal and that moves by the FBI to copy data from Dotcom's computer and take it offshore were also unlawful.


http://in.reuters.co...E85R08720120628


And what were the cops looking for? They didn't know, exactly. Because they were not investigating the case—the FBI was doing that—the police executing the search had limited knowledge of what was truly useful and necessary. As the judge put it, the people executing the warrant "were not the investigating officers and had limited knowledge of the operation," despite being briefed before the raid went down.


http://arstechnica.c...n-raid-illegal/

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:57 PM

And that's why we in the "first world" have courts that can overturn the actions of the executive branches of our governments. The system may not always be perfect, but usually it stumbles through to the right decision.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Prosecutors concede that they have failed to serve a criminal summons upon a Megaupload officer but still say a federal judge should uphold its indictment.


Lots more legalese here: http://www.courthous...01/16/53993.htm

Between this and the other case in the news, me t'inks the US Attorneys Office needs some clearing out.
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