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#26 OFFLINE   ThomasM

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 09:47 AM

Well, the 9th is finally here so we get to see how the greedy bas----- at DirecTV have moved channels to more expensive packages and raised everyone's prices...without trying to irk existing subs TOO much. :mad:

One thing I noticed in viewing my account on the web site is that my "PLUS DVR" package is now "Choice Extra + DVR" (?). The little blue notice that came with my bill said "PLUS DVR" was continuing as a grandfathered package. I guess it's a moot point since the $1 DVR fee discount for having the "combined" package went away with last year's price increase so the only benefit was a cute name.

Apparently, the channels that are disappearing from Choice Extra (Boomerang, Pursuit, etc.) are remaining for customers who had the package prior to today. (Thanks a lot!) But, as previously announced, CLOO is gone. Boo hoo what am I going to do without being able to watch all those "Law & Order" reruns???

Meanwhile, I see "Entertainment" is worthless (certainly not worth $54 a month). I'll bet the folks at DISH network are clinking glasses and having a party today after seeing the new DirecTV packages. My biggest laugh is that Entertainment is so crappy you don't even get THE WEATHER CHANNEL which is included in EVERYBODY's cheapest package-it was even included in the old "Family" package for $30!! But you DO get ESPN, the most expensive "basic cable" channel as far as fees DirecTV has to pay per sub.

I wonder what programming genius came up with these changes? :confused:

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

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The D* site is jacked up right now. Its missing a ton of channels in the Entertainment package. See the "Entertainment Package" thread about what is truly in it

Also at the other site someone changed to that today and confirmed its basically Choice minus sports channels (there are a couple channels gone too but not the "main" ones)

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:28 PM

I am paying over $100 per month for D*.. if that doesn't get ever channel they make , then something is wrong.. I have had total choice PLUS for over 10 years.. what's the story..

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

I was hoping that getting moved into this package from the old Total Choice Plus would make it easier to make programming changes online, but when I tried to make a change today I still get the same old message that I need to switch to one of their newer packages first:mad:
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

I am paying over $100 per month for D*.. if that doesn't get ever channel they make , then something is wrong.. I have had total choice PLUS for over 10 years.. what's the story..


Cloo has been moved to Choice Ultimate. See the link below.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

Which is why I believe it will be in sports pack except in PAC-12 foot print. They are wanting way too much per subscriber for the channel. Just ridiculous and I don't want my bill going up for that channel.


Is the price your hearing for the one channel or for all seven? You do realize there are seven PAC 12 networks? And you know DirecTV has all nation wide channels nationwide, and local RSNs are what's in the sports packs. I think they should have the PAC 12 national network nationwide, and the six local networks distributed just like any other rsn, by region, and in the sports pack. Hate make the most sense, but we will see what happens. I don't think DirecTV would loose many, if any customers by not caring it, simply because you'd only loose one or two games a year for football of your local team unless things have changed since the last time I read about how they where going to use the channels in the beginning.

It should be interesting to see what happens. Many that price isn't that out of line. Heck, it's nothing compared to what they are after for the new lakers channels, Huston will want for their new rsn, and don't even get me started n the Comcast channel in Portland and Philly..

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:18 PM

Is the price your hearing for the one channel or for all seven? You do realize there are seven PAC 12 networks? And you know DirecTV has all nation wide channels nationwide, and local RSNs are what's in the sports packs. I think they should have the PAC 12 national network nationwide, and the six local networks distributed just like any other rsn, by region, and in the sports pack. Hate make the most sense, but we will see what happens. I don't think DirecTV would loose many, if any customers by not caring it, simply because you'd only loose one or two games a year for football of your local team unless things have changed since the last time I read about how they where going to use the channels in the beginning.

It should be interesting to see what happens. Many that price isn't that out of line. Heck, it's nothing compared to what they are after for the new lakers channels, Huston will want for their new rsn, and don't even get me started n the Comcast channel in Portland and Philly..


I hope to see somewhere between 1 and 7 channels for the Pac 12 Networks on DIRECTV. Perhaps just the national network and as many alternates as necessary.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:29 PM

Is the price your hearing for the one channel or for all seven? You do realize there are seven PAC 12 networks? And you know DirecTV has all nation wide channels nationwide, and local RSNs are what's in the sports packs. I think they should have the PAC 12 national network nationwide, and the six local networks distributed just like any other rsn, by region, and in the sports pack. Hate make the most sense, but we will see what happens. I don't think DirecTV would loose many, if any customers by not caring it, simply because you'd only loose one or two games a year for football of your local team unless things have changed since the last time I read about how they where going to use the channels in the beginning.

It should be interesting to see what happens. Many that price isn't that out of line. Heck, it's nothing compared to what they are after for the new lakers channels, Huston will want for their new rsn, and don't even get me started n the Comcast channel in Portland and Philly..


I believe I read that price was just for the main feed of the network. I could be totally wrong. I don't see DirecTV carrying the subchannels. I would imagine they will only carry the main feed of they even carry it at all.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 03:48 PM

If you have NHL Center Ice that comes with NHL network so If you have Choice Xtra you should still get NHL N. I'm not sure if that is the case when Center ice ends in April, but once the playoffs are on, NHL N is pretty much useless.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:39 PM

I think it's stupid that The Golf Channel is only available in Ultimate now (unless you stay with Choice Extra Classic). No way am I going to pay $40 more for that channel + a few others.

The channel lists on DirecTV is a bit confusing as the HD list for Choice Extra Classic is showing nothing for me, except a couple of locals. And the other packages show "Available in" and lists the other packages.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:45 PM

I was hoping that getting moved into this package from the old Total Choice Plus would make it easier to make programming changes online, but when I tried to make a change today I still get the same old message that I need to switch to one of their newer packages first:mad:


Total Choice Plus was grandfathered, hence no online changes.
Choice Extra Classic is now grandfathered, so no online changes.

Your only option is the NEW Choice Extra, or Choice Ultimate. Former has less channels, later is more expensive. Personally, Im staying with Xtra Classic grandfathered, and Ill call in if I want to change something.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:05 PM

I am paying over $100 per month for D*.. if that doesn't get ever channel they make , then something is wrong.. I have had total choice PLUS for over 10 years.. what's the story..


It seems they tried to keep what they could in Xtra Classic, I'm sure it wasn't just DirecTVs decision to remove it from our package if they kept all the others.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:31 PM

I think it's stupid that The Golf Channel is only available in Ultimate now (unless you stay with Choice Extra Classic). No way am I going to pay $40 more for that channel + a few others.

The channel lists on DirecTV is a bit confusing as the HD list for Choice Extra Classic is showing nothing for me, except a couple of locals. And the other packages show "Available in" and lists the other packages.

I have Choice Xtra Classic and I get the full listing. Although it looks like its really the new package, since its missing NHLN and Golf channel, which I still have.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:17 PM

I was looking at the page where all of the icons are listed in columns for each package.

Here's what the DirecTV site shows for my current package.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:19 PM

That list has been wrong for a long time. Its never listed the GOLF channel as being available (before or after the change) in the Xtra Package, but Ive always received it.

They seriously need to make those package comparisons more accurate and easier to read.

Give it a couple days, and one of the members here will probably come out with an excel file with all the old/new packages and the channels in each one...

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 10:37 PM

No way it gets put in to the same package as BTN. It will probably be in a certain package for viewers inside the PAC-12 footprint and sports pack for everyone else. Or I can even see DirecTV not adding the network. I honestly don't see them losing very many subscribers if they don't carry the channel. It's a very niche channel that 3/4 of the country doesn't care about. And I heard that the PAC-12 wants around 80 or 90 cents a subscriber. Ha. They are out of their minds. That's more than BTN gets and the Big Ten conference is much more popular.


According to this article, the Pac-12 already has a wider distribution than the Big-10 Network, and that's before negotiating any satellite distribution. Also, one of the guys behind the scenes worked on launching the BTN, and they're calling this version 2.0.

First, Pac-12 Networks lined up four partners - Comcast, Time-Warner, Cox and Bright House - that already reach 40 million homes. So if Pac-12 Networks launched today, it'd be No. 11 in the country in sports networks for distribution.

(According to Sports Business Journal, these were the top-10-distributed sports networks for June, rounded off: 1, ESPN, 100.1 million TV homes. 2, ESPN2, 99.9 million. 3, Golf Channel, 83.8 million. 4, Speed, 78.5 million. 5, Versus, 76.2 million. 6, ESPN News, 74.2 million. 7, ESPNU, 73.2 million. 8, NFL Network, 56.9 million. 9, MLB Network, 56.2 million. 10, NBA TV, 55.6 million.)

While Maestas says the 40-million start is a robust number, he adds, "In 12 months, I think they'll easily pick up another 20-25 million households."


Not sure how that's possible to have all those households with only a few cable co's attached, but it's an interesting read...

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:20 PM

I believe I read that price was just for the main feed of the network. I could be totally wrong. I don't see DirecTV carrying the subchannels. I would imagine they will only carry the main feed of they even carry it at all.


Oh I see them carying all or none. They are going to have a ton of programing on the six regional channels, 24/7, unlike what we see on the big ten channels, from what I have read. But really, till they are launched, who really knows, as things can change. I just suspect they will carry the national nationally in a non entry level package, and the regional ones regionally and in the sports pack, but we will see...

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

Which is why I believe it will be in sports pack except in PAC-12 foot print. They are wanting way too much per subscriber for the channel. Just ridiculous and I don't want my bill going up for that channel.


I sincerely doubt that the Pac 12 will settle for distribution in Sports Pack. That wouldn't give justice to their model. I sense that the channel will be available to all or not at all on Directv. Directv does not have to carry the Pac 12 at all. The Pac 12 doesn't have to put the channel on Directv either. Who needs who?

If Pac 12 does not put the channel on Directv, Directv will lose me, period, and probably, over time, most college sports followers in the west coast footprint. This is a dilemma Directv has. The Pac 12 is bigger than Directv and it will control whether I use them as a provider and most others.

What you will see is that one of the two satellite companies will get the Pac 12 channel on it's system on a tier watched by most. You will see one charge for viewers in the Pac 12 footprint - and you'll see an expansive definition of that (to include nearly every west coast state even beyond the states with Pac 12 teams...expect Nevada, Idaho for example, to be included. The rest of the US will get a lower rate.

In the end the Pac 12 and Big 10 will control college athletics. They are already talking of eliminating the middle man for bowl games and doing it themselves. They are already scheduling a Pac 12/Big 10 annual game in each sport (football will start in 2017 due to existing contracts). It's more about viewing dollars and controlling the content. There will be some good non conference games, unlike other conferences.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:06 AM

Personally, Im staying with Xtra Classic grandfathered, and Ill call in if I want to change something.


I have Choice Xtra Classic and I get the full listing. Although it looks like its really the new package, since its missing NHLN and Golf channel, which I still have.


That list has been wrong for a long time. Its never listed the GOLF channel as being available (before or after the change) in the Xtra Package, but Ive always received it.

They seriously need to make those package comparisons more accurate and easier to read.


Same boat here. Had TC+, now Choice Extra Classic.
$ for $, its currently the best deal. Particularly since I already have SHO so TMC and Sundance came as part of Showtime. Glad I stayed on TC+ all those years.

My online guide is wrong too. According to that I get 10 local channels and only PBSK 295. I get 11 channels according to the web when I log in.

But can confirm only CLOO was lost and never watched it so its a non-issue for me. Golf and NHLHD are still there as always.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:57 AM

I have the ancient total choice and the list doesn't even say it includes ESPN HD.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

I thought I read that the P12N was going to be 1 main channel with 6 full time 'regional' channels (AZ, S.Cal, N.Cal, OR, WA, UT/CO). If so I see the main channel getting into a Choice tier like BTN but the regionals going into the SP.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:09 PM

I sincerely doubt that the Pac 12 will settle for distribution in Sports Pack. That wouldn't give justice to their model. I sense that the channel will be available to all or not at all on Directv. Directv does not have to carry the Pac 12 at all. The Pac 12 doesn't have to put the channel on Directv either. Who needs who?

If Pac 12 does not put the channel on Directv, Directv will lose me, period, and probably, over time, most college sports followers in the west coast footprint. This is a dilemma Directv has. The Pac 12 is bigger than Directv and it will control whether I use them as a provider and most others.

What you will see is that one of the two satellite companies will get the Pac 12 channel on it's system on a tier watched by most. You will see one charge for viewers in the Pac 12 footprint - and you'll see an expansive definition of that (to include nearly every west coast state even beyond the states with Pac 12 teams...expect Nevada, Idaho for example, to be included. The rest of the US will get a lower rate.

In the end the Pac 12 and Big 10 will control college athletics. They are already talking of eliminating the middle man for bowl games and doing it themselves. They are already scheduling a Pac 12/Big 10 annual game in each sport (football will start in 2017 due to existing contracts). It's more about viewing dollars and controlling the content. There will be some good non conference games, unlike other conferences.


Nt sure what your talking about in terms of lower rates in different markets. Consumers will never see a difference in prices. I once again expect the national channel to be launched everywhere, probably in the same package as the nba nfl etc channels start in. The six regional channels however I spect to show up in just the local regions, and in the sports packs, not as a general national channel, because that was never its intent. Those channels are intended for in market teams in the first place, just like any other rsn.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:16 PM

Nt sure what your talking about in terms of lower rates in different markets. Consumers will never see a difference in prices. I once again expect the national channel to be launched everywhere, probably in the same package as the nba nfl etc channels start in. The six regional channels however I spect to show up in just the local regions, and in the sports packs, not as a general national channel, because that was never its intent. Those channels are intended for in market teams in the first place, just like any other rsn.


Exactly there will not be different prices for different markets, I totally agree. Those regional channels will not see the light of day in a regular package.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:26 AM

Nt sure what your talking about in terms of lower rates in different markets. Consumers will never see a difference in prices. I once again expect the national channel to be launched everywhere, probably in the same package as the nba nfl etc channels start in. The six regional channels however I spect to show up in just the local regions, and in the sports packs, not as a general national channel, because that was never its intent. Those channels are intended for in market teams in the first place, just like any other rsn.


Never said the end customer/viewer will receive a different price. Customer will pay the same price. Directv will get priced similar to the Big 10 Network model with in conference footprint customers at X price and out of conference footprint at Y price.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 06:33 AM

I am paying over $100 per month for D*.. if that doesn't get ever channel they make , then something is wrong.. I have had total choice PLUS for over 10 years.. what's the story..


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