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#26 OFFLINE   Bosox07

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

Thanks, Satelliteracer.


Am I missing something, I do not see any response from Satelliteracer......

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:41 PM

I assume he means the bill I don't get because I have to have paperless billing to get the HD credit.

Paperless or not, you still have a monthly invoice available online for you to peruse.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

What if you never watch sports?

If you aren't interested in sports, perhaps you should consider a provider with less of an emphasis on sports programming.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:00 PM

I haven't looked at my bill, but how does this work for someone like me... I am deemed to be in the Boston DMA thus get NESN and so on. However being in CT, I also am in the clear for networks like YES, SNY, MSG(sometimes).

I wonder if they will hit me with the fee.

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I am not seeing it on my bill, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:08 PM

Am I missing something, I do not see any response from Satelliteracer......


It was deleted for some reason.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:54 PM

Am I missing something, I do not see any response from Satelliteracer......


It was deleted for some reason.

Yeah, there was definitely a post from Satelliteracer that I was responding to (I wish I had quoted it in my response).

I have no idea why it was deleted. Perhaps the information in his post was wrong? If so it would have been more helpful for him to let us know that rather than just deleting his post, especially since we have not received an adequate response from DIRECTV on the issue.

In any case, I think that the way that DIRECTV has handled this has been very poor, beginning with inadequate explanation of the charge up front, and continuing with a very strange implementation of the new charge: 1) Why charge people in the Philly area an extra 2 bucks for RSNs that aren't even their own, and 2) How is it reasonable to charge an extra 2 bucks to someone who is subscribed to the Sports Pack?

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, there was definitely a post from Satelliteracer that I was responding to (I wish I had quoted it in my response).


In star wars ep:iv when luke said he shouldve been there to help aunt beru & uncle owen when they got fried by stormtroopers but obi-wan kenobi said to him:
"There was nothing you could have done had you been there. You'd have been killed too."

Well he wouldve said to you:
"There was nothing you could have done had you quoted it. Youre post would have been deleted too."

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:38 PM

My price increase insert is labelled 0112IPINGM J792. There is no line in the lower left corner about a regional sports fee. I am definitely in the NYC DMA.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

In star wars ep:iv when luke said he shouldve been there to help aunt beru & uncle owen when they got fried by stormtroopers but obi-wan kenobi said to him:
"There was nothing you could have done had you been there. You'd have been killed too."

Well he wouldve said to you:
"There was nothing you could have done had you quoted it. Youre post would have been deleted too."

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

My price increase insert is labelled 0112IPINGM J792. There is no line in the lower left corner about a regional sports fee. I am definitely in the NYC DMA.


I find it interesting that I was told that the fee was for the NY Rsns, and yet you aren't paying it. I also find it ridiculous that the fee is for MSG, yet I can't access all of their programming. Apparently the NBA puts my local teams as the Nets and the Cavs. Really? 10 miles to the east or 10 miles to the south, according to zip code, and I would be considered in Knicks territory. And i would be able to see my beloved Orange witthout having to subscribe to the sports pack. The lines these professional teams draw is a joke.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:22 AM

Yeah, there was definitely a post from Satelliteracer that I was responding to (I wish I had quoted it in my response).

I have no idea why it was deleted. Perhaps the information in his post was wrong? If so it would have been more helpful for him to let us know that rather than just deleting his post, especially since we have not received an adequate response from DIRECTV on the issue.

In any case, I think that the way that DIRECTV has handled this has been very poor, beginning with inadequate explanation of the charge up front, and continuing with a very strange implementation of the new charge: 1) Why charge people in the Philly area an extra 2 bucks for RSNs that aren't even their own, and 2) How is it reasonable to charge an extra 2 bucks to someone who is subscribed to the Sports Pack?


The $2 fee is not charged to people with Sports Pack, has nothing to do with Sports Pack. The fee is based on those with high cost RSNs as part of your base package, typically an area that has multiple RSNs.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:23 AM

The $2 fee is not charged to people with Sports Pack, has nothing to do with Sports Pack. The fee is based on those with high cost RSNs as part of your base package, typically an area that has multiple RSNs.


Except that this post from the OP sounds like he has Sports Pack and IS being charged the $2.00 fee. Are you saying that this is an error and that people with Sports Pack should not be charged the additional $2?

Nobody at directv can explain what this is for. I have the sportspak for college basketball season. Is this just an increase on the 12.99 I already pay? Ridiculous that they just tack on a fee without advance notice. The CSR said it was in a flyer that came in my bill. I assume he means the bill I don't get because I have to have paperless billing to get the HD credit.



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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

The rates DirecTV pays RSN for Sports pack subscribers is different than the rate it pays RSNs for base package subscribers.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:54 AM

Except that this post from the OP sounds like he has Sports Pack and IS being charged the $2.00 fee. Are you saying that this is an error and that people with Sports Pack should not be charged the additional $2?


No. I believe he is saying that anyone who has sports pack isn't going to see this fee unless you live in a market with multiple or high cost RSN's. Sat racer was just stating that sports pack has nothing to do with this fee from what I gather.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

No. I believe he is saying that anyone who has sports pack isn't going to see this fee unless you live in a market with multiple or high cost RSN's. Sat racer was just stating that sports pack has nothing to do with this fee from what I gather.

I'm gathering that also, but that was exactly the point I was making. If someone is in an area that charges the $2 fee, it should be waived if the person has Sports Pack. And if someone lives in the Philly area, they should not be charged the added fee either given that they don't even get their own RSN.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:34 PM

I'm gathering that also, but that was exactly the point I was making. If someone is in an area that charges the $2 fee, it should be waived if the person has Sports Pack. And if someone lives in the Philly area, they should not be charged the added fee either given that they don't even get their own RSN.


Why should the fee be waived? It would cut into profit margins.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:20 PM

I'm gathering that also, but that was exactly the point I was making. If someone is in an area that charges the $2 fee, it should be waived if the person has Sports Pack. And if someone lives in the Philly area, they should not be charged the added fee either given that they don't even get their own RSN.


But the sports pack price only pays for the out of market RSNs, for which they pay those channels a reduced price per subscriber. The subscribers also do not get all of the professional sports programming.

With these in-market extra RSNs, you do get all of the professional sorts programming. I'm sure that DIRECTV is paying the in-market price per subscriber for these channels. The sports pack fee just wouldn't cover that.

I do agree with you that having RSNs that aren't really your area, and having to pay more for those extra channels does seem a bit much. However, it really a factor of how the market areas are determined, which is probably a larger issue than just the fee.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:33 PM

Except that this post from the OP sounds like he has Sports Pack and IS being charged the $2.00 fee. Are you saying that this is an error and that people with Sports Pack should not be charged the additional $2?


I don't read it that way. The $2 fee has nothing to do with Sports Pack. The OP didn't state what his\her base package is, but that is what the charge is for. If the OP also has Sports Pack that's fine, but it is not tied to that charge in any fashion.

If the OP has CHOICE, CHOICE XTRA, CHOICE XTRA CLASSIC, TOTAL CHOICE, ULTIMATE, PREMIER or any other base package that includes your local regional sports networks AND lives in an area where this is applicable, they may see this charge. Sports Pack just happens to be an a la carte service that is also on the OP's account, but RSN fees outside a local team's territory are vastly different that those in market fees, thus the fee has no impact on RSNs in Sports Pack that are outside the core territory of the viewer.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:39 PM

I'm gathering that also, but that was exactly the point I was making. If someone is in an area that charges the $2 fee, it should be waived if the person has Sports Pack. And if someone lives in the Philly area, they should not be charged the added fee either given that they don't even get their own RSN.


That's not how it works. When you subscribe to Sports Pack, you are not subscribing to your local RSN, you are receiving all the other RSNs (outside your territory) and the additional channels that are part of the Sports Pack (Outdoor Channel, Universal Sports, etc).

Your local RSNs are part of your base package and provided based on your zip code. Different animal and much different cost structure.

Think of it this way. If you're in New York the YES Network, MSG, MSG +, and SNY demand high rates from cable, telco and satellite providers to deliver those channels to New York area customers in the various territories of the teams they offer (Mets, Yankees, Nets, Rangers, etc). However, those networks charge far less to allow YES to be delivered to a subscribe in Omaha, Nebraska. Plus, that customer in Omaha can't see the games anyway (only the non-games) without buying an out of market game package, which is another reason the cost structure is so different.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:41 PM

So if you have the new Entertainment Pack, subscribing to the Sports Pack would NOT get you your RSN(s), just the out of market RSNs.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 02:12 PM

to me the entertainment package is useless.

They tried to create a very cheap package but not having your RSN is sad.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 02:17 PM

to me the entertainment package is useless.

They tried to create a very cheap package but not having your RSN is sad.


I'm sure there are many displaced fans who couldn't care less about the local teams.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:18 PM

So if you have the new Entertainment Pack, subscribing to the Sports Pack would NOT get you your RSN(s), just the out of market RSNs.

That's a good question. I had assumed if you had the Entertainment package that adding the Sports Pack would give you access to all of the RSNs, even those in your home market. Can anyone clarify this?

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:20 PM

That's a good question. I had assumed if you had the Entertainment package that adding the Sports Pack would give you access to all of the RSNs, even those in your home market. Can anyone clarify this?


It wasn't a question, but clarification would be welcome.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:21 PM

That's not how it works. When you subscribe to Sports Pack, you are not subscribing to your local RSN, you are receiving all the other RSNs (outside your territory) and the additional channels that are part of the Sports Pack (Outdoor Channel, Universal Sports, etc).

Your local RSNs are part of your base package and provided based on your zip code. Different animal and much different cost structure.

Think of it this way. If you're in New York the YES Network, MSG, MSG +, and SNY demand high rates from cable, telco and satellite providers to deliver those channels to New York area customers in the various territories of the teams they offer (Mets, Yankees, Nets, Rangers, etc). However, those networks charge far less to allow YES to be delivered to a subscribe in Omaha, Nebraska. Plus, that customer in Omaha can't see the games anyway (only the non-games) without buying an out of market game package, which is another reason the cost structure is so different.

Thanks, Satelliteracer (and this time I'm quoting you so I don't look TOO crazy if your post gets deleted :)). This is actually what I was trying to clarify from your post that had been deleted.

Your explanation makes sense, but I still can't fathom charging those in the Philly area an extra 2 bucks to get the NY RSNs when they can't even get their own - is this really what is happening?




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