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How many of you with Directv think Dish is getting better than Directv


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#626 OFFLINE   ccrowe3

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:43 PM

I tried out a Hopper/Joey system and put my DirecTV account on suspension for a few months. I was not impressed. People in my house were fighting over tuners. To even have tv service for my daughters we had to give them a Joey (because Dish doesn't allow any other receivers in a Hopper installation), which was constantly telling the Hopper to record something. There was no way to disable the ability to record from the individual Joey either. With DirecTV I can just disable their networking and lock down certain ratings and channels so I can trust them with a remote.

Dish also seems to have very inconsistent quality. A couple of channels will look very good and then you'll watch a different channel and notice that it looks worse than anything HD ever looked on DirecTV. Then there are the part time sports channels that I grew to hate. Blockbuster is OK, but it is in no way a serious competitor to the Netflix subscription I have. Nothing was really gained there for me. Things are much better now that I'm back with DirecTV full time. The picture quality is better, the channel selection suits my needs better, and my 2TB eSATA drive makes the user partition on the Hopper look not so big... And, um, Sunday Ticket. :D But Dish might be someone's cup of tea. I just know that it isn't mine. At all...

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:10 PM

There was no way to disable the ability to record from the individual Joey either. With DirecTV I can just disable their networking and lock down certain ratings and channels so I can trust them with a remote.

Preventing recording would be a interesting feature. It would help for those who are replacing receivers with Joeys and not wanting record features.

You can set channel locks and ratings locks on a per Joey basis. My wife's Joey has different channels locked out than my Hopper.

As far as the tuner limitations the discussions in the DISH forum recommend two hoppers in a setup. Many DBSTalk members have gone that way - although the lease upgrade for a second hopper makes it expensive.

Also, unannounced yet working for the past few months, Joeys can be connected to the Hopper via Ethernet --- no cable required. We even have at least one member who is using a USB Wi-Fi adapter on his Joey. While not "official" this is a good way of avoiding running RG-6 to a viewing location.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:15 AM

I don't think Dish is better than Directv, but I think better definitely varies from person to person with their needs.

The equipment for Dish definitely seems *neat*, however with Directv the HR34 is the same kind of beast and once the C31s become more common it's going to be a very similar system to what Dish offers with the Hopper/Joey combo.

Personally, Dish's programming doesn't suit my needs. They may offer my HD LiLs in HD, but I watch a lot of premiums and other content that is either not available in HD on Dish, or simply not available at all.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:01 AM

Since DirecTV has suddenly started getting it's HD act together (i.e., long-awaited channels appearing) and is finally pulling in some European programming (channel 259) I've given up the thought of even considering Dish. Unless you're 1) demanding international language programming or 2) simply hate sports, there's no reason at all to consider the company....especially given the way it digs in its heels when it comes to renegotiating contracts for channels.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:24 AM

Since DirecTV has suddenly started getting it's HD act together (i.e., long-awaited channels appearing) and is finally pulling in some European programming (channel 259) I've given up the thought of even considering Dish. Unless you're 1) demanding international language programming or 2) simply hate sports, there's no reason at all to consider the company....especially given the way it digs in its heels when it comes to renegotiating contracts for channels.


So you think Dish doesn't "dig their heels in" on contracts? Ask the folks that weren't happy that they lost a few Disney HD channels, AMC and the other Dolan channels, Nat Geo HD, Big Ten Network, etc. vs DIRECTV which IIRC has only dropped G4. IMHO I'd rather have a company that tries to keep existing channels avilable vs. one that drops existing channels and doesn't appear to be working to bring them back.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:53 PM

When this thread started a few months ago, Dish was in the lead IMO, with more basic HD, the new Hopper and Auto-Hop. DirecTV was way behind in terms of basic HD. Fast forward to now, Dish has dropped several channels and gotten sued over auto-hop. And DirecTV has hung on to those same channels and added several more. So they've pulled ahead at the moment. Of course each consistently has advantages over the other (DirecTV sports content for example).

In the mean time I dropped them both and am watching this from the side lines. It will be interesting to see who's ahead a few years from now when I go shopping for a provider again. I think long term, Dish has a lot more liabilities and belligerent management that's going to have a negative impact over all.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:43 PM

Regarding Dish VS Directv (SD), not HD -

I used to have Dish for two years or so before switching to Directv for about three or four years now, and the first thing I noticed is that Directv's SD channels looked better than those on Dish, not that I LOVE watching SD channels, but I did notice this. I'm only bringing this up because someone earlier in the thread (first page I think) had said the opposite! I disagree. Maybe I'm crazy!

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:02 AM

Regarding Dish VS Directv (SD), not HD -

I used to have Dish for two years or so before switching to Directv for about three or four years now, and the first thing I noticed is that Directv's SD channels looked better than those on Dish, not that I LOVE watching SD channels, but I did notice this. I'm only bringing this up because someone earlier in the thread (first page I think) had said the opposite! I disagree. Maybe I'm crazy!

Hmm... I'm with the earlier poster. I found Dish SD much better than DirecTV. In my experience DirecTV has the worst SD I've ever seen. That includes cable, youtube and kinetoscope. Maybe there was a problem with your particular receiver.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:13 AM

Hmm... I'm with the earlier poster. I found Dish SD much better than DirecTV. In my experience DirecTV has the worst SD I've ever seen. That includes cable, youtube and kinetoscope. Maybe there was a problem with your particular receiver.


I'd agree that Dish's SD is better on the western arc, and much better on the eastern arc.

I've had both, have DirecTV now and actively avoid watching anything in SD with D*! Of course, sometimes I have to force myself 'cause something in SD will just grab my attention, but it doesn't happen often nor with regularity. :lol:

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:16 AM

Hmm... I'm with the earlier poster. I found Dish SD much better than DirecTV. In my experience DirecTV has the worst SD I've ever seen. That includes cable, youtube and kinetoscope. Maybe there was a problem with your particular receiver.


I have not seen Dish SD lately, but DirecTV's SD is nowhere near what it used to be. When I first got DirecTV in 1999, no one had HD. DirecTV's SD picture was as good as DVD, slightly better than Dish, and far better than TWC. Since HD was rolled out and more and more SD channels were added, the SD picture quality on DirecTV has taken a nose dive. There are a few channels on DirecTV where the picture quality is decent, but most of them are worse than VHS.

That said, there are only two channels that I watch on DirecTV that are not in HD. Dish does not have one of those in HD, either, and my local TWC does not have one of those in SD or HD. Many channels I watch are not available on Dish, so for me, DirecTV is the only choice.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 07:53 AM

I just came over from Dish last month, and as of now am a very happy D* customer. It just seems to me that Dish is always loosing a channel, and they tend to not get quite a few of them back. I am in the NY area, and they got rid of all of the NY RSN's while I was with them, with no reduction in my bill. The way they are treating the whole AMC deal was the final straw for me. We the customers are being used as pawns in their lawsuit, so I decided to switch then.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:58 AM

I just came over from Dish last month, and as of now am a very happy D* customer. It just seems to me that Dish is always loosing a channel, and they tend to not get quite a few of them back. I am in the NY area, and they got rid of all of the NY RSN's while I was with them, with no reduction in my bill. The way they are treating the whole AMC deal was the final straw for me. We the customers are being used as pawns in their lawsuit, so I decided to switch then.

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Dropping AMC was the final straw for me too. But DirecTV is still missing too much content, so I had no choice but to go back to cable (my son loves G4, one of the few channels DirecTV has ever dropped entirely). I'm happy to see all the HD DirecTV has been adding lately, while Dish continues to drop channels.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:10 AM

A bit of a side track on SD. Directv's SD is generally poor. It is limited for bandwidth. However, the way to make some of it watchable for me is to use native, allow 480i and set the view to original format. That eliminates any scaling at all by the receiver, which does it very poorly. I've seen a big improvement when doing that. Still not good (and compared to fios, which I have, it is much worse) but for some watching, not revolting.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:37 AM

A bit of a side track on SD. Directv's SD is generally poor. It is limited for bandwidth. However, the way to make some of it watchable for me is to use native, allow 480i and set the view to original format. That eliminates any scaling at all by the receiver, which does it very poorly. I've seen a big improvement when doing that. Still not good (and compared to fios, which I have, it is much worse) but for some watching, not revolting.


I cannot compare to Fios, but I have had the same experience with my Panasonic TVs. For my TVs, scaling by the TV is better than scaling by the receiver; however, this is all dependant on the TV model. High end TVs generally do a better job of scaling than the DirecTV receiver does, but many entry-level HD TVs are even worse than the DirecTV receiver at scaling. In those situations, turning native off and only passing 1080i is better. Everyone needs to try it both ways with their equipment, and then decide what is best for them.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:39 AM

...(my son loves G4, one of the few channels DirecTV has ever dropped entirely)...


Hope he'll be happy with the coming changes to G4, http://multiplayerbl...7/g4-reboot-gq/

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:18 AM

Regarding Dish VS Directv (SD), not HD -

I used to have Dish for two years or so before switching to Directv for about three or four years now, and the first thing I noticed is that Directv's SD channels looked better than those on Dish, not that I LOVE watching SD channels, but I did notice this. I'm only bringing this up because someone earlier in the thread (first page I think) had said the opposite! I disagree. Maybe I'm crazy!


Looks like you are the only one of such "crazy" and cannot see obvious difference.
I did measure one of the SD parameters on DTV muxes: a resolution, it was 352x480 max ( just for clear understanding - analog NTSC format is 740x525, its digital copy is 704x480 ), perhaps last time it become 240x480 (?); if you will add to that very limited bitrate allowed to SD channels ... You will get the current worst whatsoever picture quality. Just unwatchable ! And we all remember first 10 years of perfect SD PQ, before HD become a main trend and eat all bandwidth.

Could you imagine raising a volume of weep cream would make whole milk down to 1/2 or 1/4 of vital components while it will be selling as WHOLE MILK !

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:11 AM

That is an interesting observation. A good comparison, is watching Over the Air subchannels, for picture quality and comparing them to the Directv SD channels. It can be a striking comparison and bring you to an understanding about starved bitrate.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:35 AM

I cannot compare to Fios, but I have had the same experience with my Panasonic TVs. For my TVs, scaling by the TV is better than scaling by the receiver; however, this is all dependant on the TV model. High end TVs generally do a better job of scaling than the DirecTV receiver does, but many entry-level HD TVs are even worse than the DirecTV receiver at scaling. In those situations, turning native off and only passing 1080i is better. Everyone needs to try it both ways with their equipment, and then decide what is best for them.


I guess the point I was trying to make (badly?) is that the 480i Native setting is not enough. It really needs to be original format or the receiver still does some scaling and makes a bit of a mess of it.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:49 AM

Sunday Ticket and AMC HD are deal breakers so DirecTV wins for me. I came from U-verse to Time Warner Cable to DirecTV. DirecTV by far has the best HD quality of the three and has the most responsive interface for dvr and channel guide.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:14 PM

I've had both D* and E*. D* had wonderful SD picture quality in the beginning. Switched to E* and used a dishplayer 7200 to watch SD only -- such a great receiver, I believe the software for it was written by microsoft, too bad they stopped supporting it. Switched back to D* after they shut down my 7200, and upgraded to HD. IMO the SD picture quality was better with E*.

E* had a winner with the dishplayer, don't know why they stopped us from using them. Perhaps it had something to do with the Tivo patent dispute?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:59 PM

Fox Sports San Diego is a definite deal-breaker for me. AMC as well to a much lesser extent. ABC Family not in HD is a factor too.

Though having G4 sure would be nice and I'd like to have the hub in HD. Obviously the other stuff outweighs these wants though.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:44 PM

Hope he'll be happy with the coming changes to G4, http://multiplayerbl...7/g4-reboot-gq/

Thanks for the link. Looks like G4 is going from bad to worse and will soon become irrelevant at my house. :(

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:06 PM

Fox Sports San Diego is a definite deal-breaker for me. AMC as well to a much lesser extent. ABC Family not in HD is a factor too.

Though having G4 sure would be nice and I'd like to have the hub in HD. Obviously the other stuff outweighs these wants though.


Actually, I have the HUB in HD and it isn't all that great. The do a slight zoom to the picture so that it is not full screen but not much is cut off vertically and the PQ is not all that. Their upscales are not very good.

I keep waiting for new or real HD programing and it just doesn't exist.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:20 PM

I'd agree that Dish's SD is better on the western arc, and much better on the eastern arc.

I've had both, have DirecTV now and actively avoid watching anything in SD with D*! Of course, sometimes I have to force myself 'cause something in SD will just grab my attention, but it doesn't happen often nor with regularity. :lol:


id agree that dish sd is much better. i have directv but my parents & my sister have dish. based on my own visual inspection, i consider dish sd to be much better than directv's, especially when using an sd receiver on a hdtv. however i do consider directv hd to be somewhat better, but not to the point that it would be a deal stopper when considering subscribing to one or the other. :)

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:30 PM

I too wish DirecTV had G4. I actually really liked watching ninja warrior and campus pd. I can't believe its been so long since they removed it and haven't heard anything about it coming back.




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