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RUMOR: Pay Per View Window Expanded to 48 Hours


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#51 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:36 PM

It doesn't matter how long they increase the rental time (NO PPV FOR ME) - We all pay way too much a month for a lot of channels we don't watch ( Doesn't matter what package you subscribe too) to be paying extra for a product that couldn't even last in a theater.:nono2:


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:59 PM

The only time I rented a PPV movie, I ran into the 24 hour window. This is a good change. The fact that I couldn't watch the movie a second time the next night kept me from trying a PPV since then.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:38 PM

Too pricey, too late (in extending the use time) for me.

Netflix. We watch at least 3 to 4 movies a week, plus a few series off an on. 8 bucks a month. (streaming).

I've never seen or heard the numbers, but I doubt D* is thinking of making this change out of the goodness of their hearts. My guess is that the PPV market from D* is, shall we say.....under performing.

I don't think this rumored change will make much difference. Too many cheaper alternatives. Convenience is only worth so much.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

I think 72 hours would be perfect. You could rent your movies Friday afternoon when you get home and have all weekend, plus a little of Monday, to watch them. Seems quite fair to me.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:48 PM

I stopped buying PPV after DirecTV stopped the "one free PPV a month coupon" about 10 years ago.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:51 PM

Best grandpa voice. I remember when p.p.v. was 1.99 all day ticket. It was cheaper than 3.00 a night at the video store.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:06 PM

I have Netflix for streaming/Blu-Ray and BB for Blu-Ray's as well, which I reserve for the better new releases. Can't beat the lossless audio and higher visual resolution (bandwidth) formats of BD and it's also much cheaper then PPV.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:17 AM

I think 72 hours would be perfect. You could rent your movies Friday afternoon when you get home and have all weekend, plus a little of Monday, to watch them. Seems quite fair to me.


Seems to me that 72 hour limit would hang heavy on my mind much as "homework" always did. I don't like limits, even the limits on VOD, which are much longer, annoy me. Add to that, the $114 a month I pay for the Premium movie package, and buying PPV makes little sense to me. I don't really need "instant gratification".

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:38 AM

Too pricey, too late (in extending the use time) for me.

Netflix. We watch at least 3 to 4 movies a week, plus a few series off an on. 8 bucks a month. (streaming).

I've never seen or heard the numbers, but I doubt D* is thinking of making this change out of the goodness of their hearts. My guess is that the PPV market from D* is, shall we say.....under performing.

I don't think this rumored change will make much difference. Too many cheaper alternatives. Convenience is only worth so much.


Yeah Netflix makes a lot more sense if you watch a lot of movies.It can get a little expensive if you subscribe to the 8 movies out at a time plan & add blu ray access but you're only paying for movies that you want to watch.
The only bad thing about Netflix is that you have to wait 30 days to get new releases from some studios.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:05 PM

When I'm paying $91/month for the BASIC service + HD + 1 DVR, they can make PPVs keep forever and I still wouldn't give them another red cent. $5.99 for something I can download off the net for free? No thanks.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:11 PM

When I'm paying $91/month for the BASIC service + HD + 1 DVR, they can make PPVs keep forever and I still wouldn't give them another red cent. $5.99 for something I can download off the net for free? No thanks.


Why pay for TV at all, then? You can download pretty much all shows for free.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:56 PM

If it is easier, you must have a Red Box in your house. :lol:


Let's see, wait for the next D* viewing opportunity and hope it works, or stop at one of the 5 Red Box locations that are all less than 2 miles from my house and pick up the BluRay.

I tried 3 times to watch Moneyball on D* PPV. Their system had no problem at all with the charges, it just wouldn't show me anything but the D* logo screen. The BluRay I got from Red Box worked perfectly the very second that I closed the tray on my player.

Yeah, to me, Red Box is easier because it actually works.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:18 PM

When I'm paying $91/month for the BASIC service + HD + 1 DVR, they can make PPVs keep forever and I still wouldn't give them another red cent. $5.99 for something I can download off the net for free? No thanks.


Pirating content doesn't make that content "free".

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:15 PM

Movies and On Demand titles have a varying rental authorization period of 24, 48 or 72 hours, depending on the title and method used to order content.

The authorization period extension is based on agreements made between DIRECTV and various film studios to allow customers more time to enjoy purchased titles.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:35 PM

I just hope they get that on screen soon.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:00 AM

They are way out of line with pricing on the PPV movies.
Like my son once said, "Why are we paying for all of these premium channels if we are going to rent the movies one at a time for one night ?
I can wait until it comes on one of them."

I got one movie 3 years ago just to see what a 1080p movie looked like in place of the 1080i. Total waste of money in mine and his opinion.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:36 AM

They are way out of line with pricing on the PPV movies.
Like my son once said, "Why are we paying for all of these premium channels if we are going to rent the movies one at a time for one night ?
I can wait until it comes on one of them."

I got one movie 3 years ago just to see what a 1080p movie looked like in place of the 1080i. Total waste of money in mine and his opinion.


I'm curious. What would be your idea for pricing of a PPV movie?

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:53 AM

If they were competitive with Redbox we would watch 2-3 a week. With the DirecTv pricing we have ordered 2 in 9 years.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:59 AM

Keep in mind the movie and music industries are two of the greediest enterprises in America. For decades they have figured more ways of repeatedly profiting from the same product than any other business.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:55 AM

I'm curious. What would be your idea for pricing of a PPV movie?


Look at the price in the market. RedBox can let me have a movie (Blu-Ray) for $1.50 per day. The studios get a percentage of this so we know their cut is less than $1.50 per day (or 24-hour period), but will use $1.5 for the purposes of this.

Now DirecTV wants $5.99 per 24-hour period. Take out the studio's cut of $1.50 (again we know it is less than $1.50) and DirecTV is getting $4.49 from this.

Now assuming RedBox did not have to pay the studios a cut, they are able to place boxes all over place and rent blu-rays for $1.50. So if they can do it for $1.50, the DirecTV should be able to beam them down from their satellites for $1.50.

So take the studio's cut at $1.50 and add the cost of the providing the service of $1.50 which equals $3.00. Call it $2.99. That should be the cost of a PPV for 24-hours.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:21 AM

Look at the price in the market. RedBox can let me have a movie (Blu-Ray) for $1.50 per day. The studios get a percentage of this so we know their cut is less than $1.50 per day (or 24-hour period), but will use $1.5 for the purposes of this.

Now DirecTV wants $5.99 per 24-hour period. Take out the studio's cut of $1.50 (again we know it is less than $1.50) and DirecTV is getting $4.49 from this.

Now assuming RedBox did not have to pay the studios a cut, they are able to place boxes all over place and rent blu-rays for $1.50. So if they can do it for $1.50, the DirecTV should be able to beam them down from their satellites for $1.50.

So take the studio's cut at $1.50 and add the cost of the providing the service of $1.50 which equals $3.00. Call it $2.99. That should be the cost of a PPV for 24-hours.

I look at it from a business point of view. With any business it's all about profits. The bigger the profits the better. That aside, $5.99 for the convenience of a 24hr PPV is a bargain when you compare what it would cost to go to a movie theater to see a movie.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:42 AM

With any business it's all about profits. The bigger the profits the better...... That aside, $5.99 for the convenience of a 24hr PPV is a bargain when you compare what it would cost to go to a movie theater to see a movie.


Absolutely it is about profits. But is DirecTV maximizing profits at $5.99? Would they sell 2x as many at $3.99 and make more profits? Since we don't have access to the numbers, we can't say. But given that most people on this board, many of whom are big fans of DirecTV, think the price is too high, I would guess the average sub thinks it is too high.

Also, PPV are not necessarily competing against the theaters. Somewhere in my brain I want to think that back when I first got DirecTV, PPV's were available before the movies were available on VHS. Not a huge gap, but a gap. Of course back then the time from theaters to VHS was a lot longer.

So PPV's are competing mainly against RB and BB and NF, not the theater. In that comparison, they lose. Maybe a slight bump for spur of the moment convenience, but not for those who can plan. Or who have fast enough internet to make streaming effective.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:53 AM

I'm curious. What would be your idea for pricing of a PPV movie?


$ 3.00 or less.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:12 AM

They are way out of line with pricing on the PPV movies.
Like my son once said, "Why are we paying for all of these premium channels if we are going to rent the movies one at a time for one night ?
I can wait until it comes on one of them."


I keep the Premium package just for the scripted programs

I got one movie 3 years ago just to see what a 1080p movie looked like in place of the 1080i. Total waste of money in mine and his opinion.


I did that about the same time, give or take. I rented Australia on BD and downloaded the PPV 1080p version of Australia and played them both at the same time, switching back and forth between the BD player and an HR and I really didn't see very much difference in the PQ of either offering. Still rather have it on a BD tho.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:15 AM

I'm curious. What would be your idea for pricing of a PPV movie?


That's a good question! We oughta run a thread on that.

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