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RUMOR: Pay Per View Window Expanded to 48 Hours


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#76 OFFLINE   Rich

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:16 AM

Keep in mind the movie and music industries are two of the greediest enterprises in America. For decades they have figured more ways of repeatedly profiting from the same product than any other business.


True, Star Wars is a perfect example of that.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

Let's see, wait for the next D* viewing opportunity and hope it works, or stop at one of the 5 Red Box locations that are all less than 2 miles from my house and pick up the BluRay.

I tried 3 times to watch Moneyball on D* PPV. Their system had no problem at all with the charges, it just wouldn't show me anything but the D* logo screen. The BluRay I got from Red Box worked perfectly the very second that I closed the tray on my player.

Yeah, to me, Red Box is easier because it actually works.



I just rented a BD from Red Box and it was scratched and wouldn't playback the last 45 minutes of the film. When I went to return it today the kiosk was down and I had to go find another location. Nothing's perfect in a imperfect world and that goes for RB as well.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

A lot of people are familiar with Netflix and Netflix pricing, so it may be reasonable to start with their DVD rental plan of one-out-at-a-time, for $7.99 a month. Assuming that it takes 4 days round trip per DVD (1-2 days to get to you, you watch it that same night and return it the next day, 1-2 days to return to Netflix), in a month one can average approximately 7 moves. This brings the price of a single-movie rental to ~$1.15 from Netflix.

In that light, $5.99 seems just a tad high for a single movie rental, doesn't it?

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:09 PM

The MPAA's rules that PPV rentals via DirecTV not exceed 24 hrs effectively & completely eliminated my viewing of PPV movies. I no longer desire to spend my cash on their over-priced service.

DirecTV DVR Will Delete Pay-Per-View Shows
from the record-at-your-own-risk dept

First we had ABC thinking that not allowing people to fast forward through commercials on a DVR-type product was a good idea, and now comes the news that DirecTV will automatically delete Pay-Per-View shows you record with your DVR after 24-hours. This is apparently at the request of the major Hollywood studios who have decided that the best way to build up an audience is to piss them off by not allowing them to record the movies that they legally paid for via PPV, and then chose to record and time shift. Time shifting is perfectly legal, so there's absolutely no legal reason for DirecTV to ban the practice. As for the Hollywood studios, this is more backwards thinking. One of these days, someone in Hollywood is going to realize that pissing off your loyal customers isn't a good idea.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:46 PM

I appreciate the effort, but still too expensive. I still miss the long term pay per views they had years ago, but understand why they changed them.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:11 AM

Doesn't DTV PPV get movies from some studios faster than NetFlix?
Those are the only movies I would get on PPV. Everything else they can keep.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:19 AM

It is true. I just queued a movie and it said "48 HR RENTAL PREMIERES ON 3/27"

I hope this is true.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:21 AM

It is true. I just queued a movie and it said "48 HR RENTAL PREMIERES ON 3/27"

I hope this is true.


Or at least it seems to be true...

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:00 AM

Doesn't DTV PPV get movies from some studios faster than NetFlix?


Yes, 30 days. Warner Brothers is one and I think Fox and Universal are as well.

What I see before long is a 30 day moratorium on rentals for all studios. Force consumers who want the movie to buy it, then release it to the rental outfits. Of course, NF, BB and RB could just purchase the movies at retail, but that would severely cut into profits.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:25 AM

A lot of people are familiar with Netflix and Netflix pricing, so it may be reasonable to start with their DVD rental plan of one-out-at-a-time, for $7.99 a month. Assuming that it takes 4 days round trip per DVD (1-2 days to get to you, you watch it that same night and return it the next day, 1-2 days to return to Netflix), in a month one can average approximately 7 moves. This brings the price of a single-movie rental to ~$1.15 from Netflix.

In that light, $5.99 seems just a tad high for a single movie rental, doesn't it?


Don't know how many DVDs or BDs I go thru in a month, but I've got a plan that gives me five discs at a time and usually go thru them in less than a week. I wish I could figure out what that costs per disc, but it's a whole lot less than PPV per disc. I don't watch many movies, been watching BBCA content lately (much better on discs than streaming or D*). I usually watch two hours of NF content a day. At least.

Hmm. Conservatively, that would be 30 discs a month. For ~$42 a month. A buck and change apiece, no? I could watch 30 BD movies a month if I could find some I have interest in. That would cost $180 for PPV for the month. I think I'll stick with NF.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:19 AM

Why pay for TV at all, then? You can download pretty much all shows for free.


Very true and a mighty good question. Apperently lots of people out there agree with you :).

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:20 AM

It is true. I just queued a movie and it said "48 HR RENTAL PREMIERES ON 3/27"

I hope this is true.


LOL... 48 vs. 24... oh boy... get ready for a price increase :D.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:11 PM

Very true and a mighty good question. Apperently lots of people out there agree with you :).


I tried to talk my wife and son into doing just that last year. Didn't work. I could be happy with Net content.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:23 PM

I tried to talk my wife and son into doing just that last year. Didn't work. I could be happy with Net content.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:49 PM

How would you watch the Yankees?


Not sure how I would have handled that. Might have kept D* with just two DVRs. They didn't let me get out my plans, they just nixed the whole idea.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:21 PM

Why pay for TV at all, then? You can download pretty much all shows for free.

Most of us don't like stealing, and even though it may cost more than we would like it to, we will pay for it first.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:23 PM

Most of us don't like stealing, and even though it may cost more than we would like it to, we will pay for it first.


I wasn't condoning it, just pointing out the flawed logic.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:32 PM

I wasn't condoning it, just pointing out the flawed logic.

I understood that and meant it as a general statement, not aimed at your comment.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:25 AM

I bet if you are a PPV fan -I bet you can't wait for the 48 hour rental of the GEM :lol:


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:55 PM

Most of us don't like stealing, and even though it may cost more than we would like it to, we will pay for it first.


I don't LIKE "stealing", I have a basic subscription to DTV + HD + DVR. I think its already overpriced. I am not going to pay $5 to $6 for a movie that will get deleted after 2 days. I used to buy PPVs when they were $39.99 / $3.99. Not gonna happen when they are $60+ / $5.99 (and deleted after 1 day).

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:47 PM

Doesn't DTV PPV get movies from some studios faster than NetFlix?
Those are the only movies I would get on PPV. Everything else they can keep.


Yes. 30 days typically but some studios are now moving to even longer period of times is my understanding.

Yes, the 48 and 72 hour windows have been implemented for some titles where allowed.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:52 PM

Look at the price in the market. RedBox can let me have a movie (Blu-Ray) for $1.50 per day. The studios get a percentage of this so we know their cut is less than $1.50 per day (or 24-hour period), but will use $1.5 for the purposes of this.

Now DirecTV wants $5.99 per 24-hour period. Take out the studio's cut of $1.50 (again we know it is less than $1.50) and DirecTV is getting $4.49 from this.

Now assuming RedBox did not have to pay the studios a cut, they are able to place boxes all over place and rent blu-rays for $1.50. So if they can do it for $1.50, the DirecTV should be able to beam them down from their satellites for $1.50.

So take the studio's cut at $1.50 and add the cost of the providing the service of $1.50 which equals $3.00. Call it $2.99. That should be the cost of a PPV for 24-hours.


In the DVD model the distributor buys the DVD for a one time price and then monetizes it over and over and over again each time the DVD is rented out. The studio gets their cut one time, not repeatedly.

In the streaming model, including PPV, it is transactional usually. The studio is getting a cut (a healthy one) every time the movie is rented. Every PPV, every purchase on iTunes or Xbox. Every time. That is why Red Box can charge what they are charging because their cost structure is much different for the titles.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

Yes. 30 days typically but some studios are now moving to even longer period of times is my understanding.

Apparently Warner Brothers wanted a 56 day delay, and RedBox said "No Thanks" and is buying them another route (probably retail price).

http://latimesblogs....-day-delay.html

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:36 PM

Yes. 30 days typically but some studios are now moving to even longer period of times is my understanding.

Yes, the 48 and 72 hour windows have been implemented for some titles where allowed.


Apparently Warner Brothers wanted a 56 day delay, and RedBox said "No Thanks" and is buying them another route (probably retail price).

http://latimesblogs....-day-delay.html


NetFlix is also refusing to carry some titles on BluRay at all.Things that I know for a fact are on bluray like the last two seasons of Doctor Who.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:54 AM

In the DVD model the distributor buys the DVD for a one time price and then monetizes it over and over and over again each time the DVD is rented out. The studio gets their cut one time, not repeatedly.

In the streaming model, including PPV, it is transactional usually. The studio is getting a cut (a healthy one) every time the movie is rented. Every PPV, every purchase on iTunes or Xbox. Every time. That is why Red Box can charge what they are charging because their cost structure is much different for the titles.


While Redbox may use this model, Blockbuster pioneered a revenue sharing agreement in the late 90's. They got to buy movies for a low price, but then gave the studios a percentage (35-40) of the total rental revenue from those movies. Could be why Blockbuster never had the 30 day wait period.




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