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#1 OFFLINE   islesfan

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:29 AM

Think this will go anywhere?

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:04 AM

No.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:03 AM

No.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:26 AM

The article doesn't even make sense. They can't see their home team's away games???? Is this a suit to force them OTA?
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:33 AM

I don't understand what they are suing for. You have to pay to watch home or away....they come on the same damn set of channels usually.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:37 PM

I wonder if this is specific to the NYC area with three 'local' teams.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:00 AM

I don't understand what they are suing for. You have to pay to watch home or away....they come on the same damn set of channels usually.


Not always. If you have the Sports Package, games are in the clear on the local RSN, but they are blacked out on the out-of-market RSNs. Usually, though, only the home games are shown on the local RSN. The only way to get the away games is to subscribe to Center Ice, even though the away games are home games on other RSNs, they are blacked out on the Sports Pack, even in the away team's designated area.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:43 AM

I'm sorry, trying to follow that gave me a headache. Could you provide an example?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:53 AM

I'm sorry, trying to follow that gave me a headache. Could you provide an example?


Sure. Peeps in zip code 35214 get the Atlanta Thrashers home games on SportSouth. if they're in Detroit, playing the Red Wings, they would not get the FS Detroit feed to see the Thrashers, even if SportSouth blacks it out also.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:02 AM

Not always. If you have the Sports Package, games are in the clear on the local RSN, but they are blacked out on the out-of-market RSNs. Usually, though, only the home games are shown on the local RSN. The only way to get the away games is to subscribe to Center Ice, even though the away games are home games on other RSNs, they are blacked out on the Sports Pack, even in the away team's designated area.


Finally - someone who knows how to explain it. The problem is, there is nothing logical about it........

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:09 AM

I tend to agree that this is going nowhere, but I'd blame the reporter for making it incomprehensible. What I suspect is that they are pushing for the concept that if I pay for an NHL package (NHLCI) then I get ALL NHL games, period, regardless of where I am.

(I already hate the idea that I get NHLCI on DirecTV only. NBA fans order League Pass, and they can watch on PC or iPhone. We don't even get a subscriber discount to watch elsewhere. If I want NHLCI on my iPhone I'd have to pay twice! Unrelated rant over.)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:28 AM

Sure. Peeps in zip code 35214 get the Atlanta Thrashers home games on SportSouth. if they're in Detroit, playing the Red Wings, they would not get the FS Detroit feed to see the Thrashers, even if SportSouth blacks it out also.


No idea what you are talking about. The Thrashers don't exist anymore. And I have never seen this issue you speak of. I live in Lightning territory and Sunsports televises almost every game of theirs home or away. Yes, the occasional few they don't are blacked out whether it's being televised in the other teams market or not. So what? That's life. I don't believe any team has 100% of their game televised to their home markets and if there are it's very few.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:30 AM

I tend to agree that this is going nowhere, but I'd blame the reporter for making it incomprehensible. What I suspect is that they are pushing for the concept that if I pay for an NHL package (NHLCI) then I get ALL NHL games, period, regardless of where I am.

(I already hate the idea that I get NHLCI on DirecTV only. NBA fans order League Pass, and they can watch on PC or iPhone. We don't even get a subscriber discount to watch elsewhere. If I want NHLCI on my iPhone I'd have to pay twice! Unrelated rant over.)


If you purchase and they have the blackout rules available for you to have read, you have no case.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:00 PM

No idea what you are talking about. The Thrashers don't exist anymore. And I have never seen this issue you speak of. I live in Lightning territory and Sunsports televises almost every game of theirs home or away. Yes, the occasional few they don't are blacked out whether it's being televised in the other teams market or not. So what? That's life. I don't believe any team has 100% of their game televised to their home markets and if there are it's very few.


I know that all Islanders games are televised, and so far all have been available on NHLCI.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:23 PM

You could be like me and everyone else in the 067xx zipcodes in CT... When the NHL Network nationally televises the Rangers, it is completely blacked out in the 067xx zipcode area on not only the NHL network, but the RSN as well.

It's supposed to be one or the other. If you are not under an RSN telecast then it should be available on the NHL Network or vice versa. NEITHER is available to that zipcode range. Whenever the game is on either NBS Sports network or just plan RSN, I get it fine.

That's the kind of stuff that should be targeted. I don't think this lawsuit will go anywhere(if I understood it right).

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:47 PM

That I can follow. The Thrasher example isn't a good one because those blackout rules exist in every sport. If your local rsn or it's isn't televising a game and you live in that home market, you can't watch the opponent feed. Here in Lightning territory, if the Lightning are in Detroit, I can't watch the Wings feed -- whether or not TB chooses to televise the game. That goes for home games too. I can only see the Lightning on the local RSN, unless they're being carried nationally.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:43 PM

That sounds like a Directv screwup, not an NHL CI issue. I don't have that problem here.

The above was directed to the poster talking about the Rangers NHL Network/RSN issue.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:23 AM

That sounds like a Directv screwup, not an NHL CI issue. I don't have that problem here.

The above was directed to the poster talking about the Rangers NHL Network/RSN issue.


No, it's an NHL/NHL Network issue confirmed by people in the know here. The issue is not restricted to Directv. It's been like this since the NHLN started covering full games. The NHL Network has an overly restrictive blackout area that is not in sync with the regional networks. I send them(NHL) email after email and they don't even have the courtesy to respond.

This is only a NHLN thing. For instance, last night's game was blacked out on MSG but fully available to me on the NBC Sports Network, with no issue.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:57 AM

I know that all Islanders games are televised, and so far all have been available on NHLCI.


I think what the suit is trying to say is that the NHL should not be able to force people to buy Center Ice to see out-of-market games. If the game is broadcast anywhere, then viewers anywhere should be able to see the game without being forced to pay more just because they live in the wrong zip code.

The situation is not unique to the NHL. It just happens that this suit was brought by hockey fans. It just as easily could have applied to MLB, or the NBA. I understand the NFL rule that blacks out games in the home team territory if the game is not sold out and I could even understand blacking out all other games if the home team is playing at home and the game is not sold out, but blacking out all out-of-market games because you live in the wrong zip code makes no sense to me, especially if it is your home team playing on the road.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:28 AM

I know it ticks me off that I have to search and guess which channel won't be blacked out to record the Penguins. Like last night, the game was listed to be on 3 different channels (not including the center ice channels or NY RSN feeds). I had to set up 3 recordings to to make sure I got the game (the blackout search feature is great but it has failed me in the past so I don't rely on it).

The game WAS listed to be on NHL network, Root SPorts Pitt, and NBC Sports.

Well it eneded up being blacked out on Root, and NHL network showed the first 10 minutes of the game and then seemed to switch to the flyers islanders game, so I ended up having to switch to NBC network to finish watching the game.

Apparently sometime this week both NHL network and NBC sports picked the game up at the last minute because of Crosby's return.

I would guess in total there was about 6 channels that this game could have been viewed on, MSG, Root Pitt,NHL network, NBC Sport, Center Ice Pitt Feed, Center Ice NY feed. Its like playing roulette to guess which channel you have to record, esp when it changes at the last minute.


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