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#126 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:39 PM

Archiving is something that every content provider is against due to the very nature of their business. If you can save something permanently on a HD why would you buy their box sets? Why would you buy the movies.


Exactly... Content providers wouldn't allow "permanent storage" of their content.
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#127 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:41 PM

But you, David, and I are pretty much on the same page that there is certainly a viable desire for the ability to store content for extended periods of time.


But a desire doesn't mean you'll get what you want.
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#128 OFFLINE   RunnerFL

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:43 PM

Is there a way on configuring for Raid 6? I use Raid 6 for Petabyte disk storage


Using RAID 6 would be like trying to swat a fly with a tank. RAID 1 is all you need.
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#129 OFFLINE   Richierich

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:46 PM

Exactly... Content providers wouldn't allow "permanent storage" of their content.


Well, Archiving Recordings is No More a Means of "Permanent Storage" than Storing those Recordings on a DVR, you are just Storing a Copy of your Original Recording on a Backup Storage Device such as a USB External Drive off of a Nomad Device Not for Viewing Purposes but for the Purpose of Archiving.

With Nomad right now you are Storing another version of your Original Recording on Nomad prior to Nomad Offloading a Transcoded Version to your Mobile Device.

Also, you have already paid for the right to Store and View those Recordings on your DVR so why not be able to Archive them for your Own Purposes.

With Nomad you are already Storing those Recordings on Nomad and also your Mobile Device so I don't see a Content Protection Issue.

It is not like I am letting someone else View these Recordings on their Device.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

Exactly... Content providers wouldn't allow "permanent storage" of their content.


Utterly bee s ! :down:

Then wouldn't be CD, DVD and Blu Ray disks, not telling about VHS cassettes.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:02 PM

Utterly bee s ! :down:

Then wouldn't be CD, DVD and Blu Ray disks, not telling about VHS cassettes.


There's a difference between a blu-ray that the content providers make and distribute and you holding on to a recording forever.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:08 PM

There's a difference between a blu-ray that the content providers make and distribute and you holding on to a recording forever.


What is the Difference between me Storing a Recording on my DVR for Viewing versus Storing that same Recording on a Backup External Drive for Purposes of Archiving???

I have already paid for the Right to View and Contain that Source Material on my DVR so what is the Big Deal of making a Copy that only I can use???
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:15 PM

What is the Difference between me Storing a Recording on my DVR for Viewing versus Storing that same Recording on a Backup External Drive for Purposes of Archiving???


Depending upon the content anywhere from $20 to $100+. Paying for HBO isn't considered you paying to "own" a movie you record.

I'm not saying the providers are right and I'm certainly not saying that their blu-ray prices are great but it is their content and their copyright.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:28 PM

Fair Use Act does not limiting your copy by time frame.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:42 PM

Depending upon the content anywhere from $20 to $100+. Paying for HBO isn't considered you paying to "own" a movie you record.

I'm not saying the providers are right and I'm certainly not saying that their blu-ray prices are great but it is their content and their copyright.


You are talking about Movies and TV Series Stuff and I am just talking about Recording everyday stuff like a Newscast or Diners, Driveins and Dives.

I have Paid for the Right to have those Recordings in my House for Viewing and if I want to make a Copy for Backup Purposes why would they care as long as no one else can View it.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:09 PM

Fair Use Act does not limiting your copy by time frame.


The fair use act doesn't even apply here.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

You are talking about Movies and TV Series Stuff and I am just talking about Recording everyday stuff like a Newscast or Diners, Driveins and Dives.


Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives IS a TV Series...

I have Paid for the Right to have those Recordings in my House for Viewing and if I want to make a Copy for Backup Purposes why would they care as long as no one else can View it.


It doesn't matter why they care, the point is they do.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:11 PM

Really ? ! The CD, DVD, VHS are the copies. Not originals.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:12 PM

Really ? ! The CD, DVD, VHS are the copies. Not originals.


Exactly! Fair Use Act only covers your usage of an original. If you're talking about a recording made by a DVR, which we are but I'm not sure you are, then you do NOT own an "original".
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:15 PM

Currently none of the providers offer protection against HDD failure, and realistically thats not what most are asking for.

The archive system that brand E uses comes pretty close. The idea being that a drive that isn't plugged in isn't likely to fail. If you're so inclined, you can record a show more than once and make archive copies to different hard drives. None of this necessarily requires external hardware or computers.

Given how easy it would be to implement account-based keys (given that they're already dealing with exchanging keys for WHDS), you pretty much have to assume that DIRECTV is committed to not doing it (unless you have reliable insight to the contrary).

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:20 PM

Uh huh... I just think your "source", that you're more than happy to tout that you know, was blowing smoke you know where...

I'll let them know you said hello, including the part where you're wrong in what was said. :rolleyes:

Numerous things have been "hinted" at over the years in various presentations and have still never come to fruition.

Which is exactly what I said before. Duh.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

The Folks at Morega have told me that they can easily use Nomad for Archiving Purposes if Senior Management at Directv chooses to do so as they have Access to the Customer's Account Number via the Authentication Server so they could just Substitute the Account Number for the RID # and the Directv Software Logic could be altered to look for the Account Number rather than the RID # for verification of DHCP Authority to View those Recordings.

They can also Store the Archived Recordings on a USB External Hard Drive which can then be Transferred back to the Original DVR after it's Internal Hard Drive that Failed has been Replaced by a New Drive.


I think Nomad sales would skyrocket if they allowed this; they should do it.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:25 PM

I think Nomad sales would skyrocket if they allowed this; they should do it.

A number of others share that perspective with you.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:32 PM

A number of others share that perspective with you.


Can or are Nomads tied to accounts? Otherwise, people will lend them out.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:41 PM

Can or are Nomads tied to accounts? Otherwise, people will lend them out.


As they can with DVRs? nomads need to be validated on one's own home LAN, so it's not going to go far or long. I suppose there's a possibility that 30 friends could drop by every evening with iPads and d/l transcodes....but they'd have to be registered as well.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:47 PM

As they can with DVRs? nomads need to be validated on one's own home LAN, so it's not going to go far or long. I suppose there's a possibility that 30 friends could drop by every evening with iPads and d/l transcodes....but they'd have to be registered as well.


I meant to prevent passing Nomads around to backup your recordings.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:57 PM

Ah, yes, that'd be very hard to do, perhaps next to impossible. Impractical, too, in the extreme. Sorry I misread the q.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:57 PM

Can or are Nomads tied to accounts? Otherwise, people will lend them out.

Nomad isn't but the client software is tied to your account. You have to use your DIRECTV website ID and password to use the client. Once the client talks to nomad, nomad then checks on the validity of the account.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:57 PM

I think Nomad sales would skyrocket if they allowed this; they should do it.

Given the 30 day expiration on nomad transfers, this seems quite unlikely.

What hardware is capable of and what they intend to implement are decidedly different issues. For his part, Michael White has stated in a couple of conference calls that it will all come down to resolving the rights issue.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:03 PM

Given the 30 day expiration on nomad transfers, this seems quite unlikely.

What hardware is capable of and what they intend to implement are decidedly different issues. For his part, Michael White has stated in a couple of conference calls that it will all come down to resolving the rights issue.


:confused: Why would they keep the 30 day limit if you're saving to backup? That'd make no sense.
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