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#21 OFFLINE   dmspen

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:22 AM

Pioneer just released their new line of receivers. HDMI 1.4 all around, networked (except the very cheapest), built-in AirPlay, BlueTooth streaming (with adaptor), Good video conversion, DLNA 7 compliant.

Seems like all the stuff you can put in! They need to make these receivers with software capabilities. You should be able to download Apps for things like Pandora, Sirius, etc. It can't be that difficult. My TV does it so they should be able to.

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#22 OFFLINE   celticpride

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

my onkyo 809 av receiver has some kind of 4k but i didnt pay much attention to it since no one broadcast in that format ,although i read somewhere that there is a 4k demo on you tube ,but i havent checked that out because even if ma av receiver puts out 4k i dont have a 4k tv so whats the point?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

You'll need to buy 4K TV set, now ! That's the point. :D

#24 OFFLINE   kevinturcotte

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:01 AM

my onkyo 809 av receiver has some kind of 4k but i didnt pay much attention to it since no one broadcast in that format ,although i read somewhere that there is a 4k demo on you tube ,but i havent checked that out because even if ma av receiver puts out 4k i dont have a 4k tv so whats the point?


I think there are AVRs that can upconvert and output to 4k, but don't think there are any that can actually accept a native 4k signal.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

As I posted on another thread the difference between 4K and 1080p can only be seen on sets with a screen larger than 55" with the viewer seated close to the TV. Prices for today's 4k HDTVs range between $18,000.00 and $500,000.00. Combine that with high unemployment in a poor economy and limited 4K source material. I just don't see 4K making a big splash the way HD did when it was introduced.

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#26 OFFLINE   kevinturcotte

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:16 AM

As I posted on another thread the difference between 4K and 1080p can only be seen on sets with a screen larger than 55" with the viewer seated close to the TV. Prices for today's 4k HDTVs range between $18,000.00 and $500,000.00. Combine that with high unemployment in a poor economy and limited 4K source material. I just don't see 4K making a big splash the way HD did when it was introduced.


Yeah, but people want larger and larger screens. The cost will come down too, just like with everything. Give it about 10 years and you won't even be able to find a 1080p TV anymore, they'll all be 4k.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:43 AM

Some of Denon's line of AVRs are doing 4K, and I believe that is both upconversion and pass-through.

I think it starts at the 1913 model number and up.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:49 AM

Some of Denon's line of AVRs are doing 4K, and I believe that is both upconversion and pass-through.

I think it starts at the 1913 model number and up.


http://usa.denon.com...2113ci(denonna) their 2113 model. $650 too?! I'd think 4k passthrough would be more expensive than that!! I'd still wait though. There are bound to be bugs and enhancements that will eventually get ironed out within a year or so.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:36 AM

Yeah, but people want larger and larger screens. The cost will come down too, just like with everything. Give it about 10 years and you won't even be able to find a 1080p TV anymore, they'll all be 4k.


While we differ on 4k's "immediate" future here's something you may be interested in. The Sony STR-DA5800ES A/V receiver. True 4K Output, 9.2 Surround Sound, 130 Watts x 9, up-scales HD movies to 4K quality. $2,100.00. I have been using Sony ES A/V receivers for years and can vouch for their quality and performence. I'm currently using their STR-DA5600ES A/V receiver.

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#30 OFFLINE   kevinturcotte

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:39 AM

While we differ on 4k's "immediate" future here's something you may be interested in. The Sony STR-DA5800ES A/V receiver. True 4K Output, 9.2 Surround Sound, 130 Watts x 9, up-scales HD movies to 4K quality. $2,100.00. I have been using Sony ES A/V receivers for years and can vouch for their quality and performence. I'm currently using their STR-DA5600ES A/V receiver.


4k certainly may flop, like 3D appears to be doing. Maybe HD was/is "Windows XP", 4k is/willbe "Vista" and 8k will be "Windows 7" lol

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:04 AM

I think there are AVRs that can upconvert and output to 4k, but don't think there are any that can actually accept a native 4k signal.

All of the Onkyo AVRs that retail for over $500 support 4k at some level.

What I would recommend is going cheap now and upgrading when you actually come into some 4k content. You can probably throw away the AVR you buy now and still break even investment wise without missing anything on audio performance.

Even then, it shouldn't kill you to do a little manual video switching in the early stages of your 4k TV viewing.

I'm holding out hope that we'll see a much better connector technology (HDMI connectors both suck and blow) come around before the next wave of technology hits.

If you absolutely cannot wait, I'd suggest looking into a refurbished Onkyo TX-NR71x series. I enjoy my TX-NR716 a lot.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:12 AM

4k certainly may flop, like 3D appears to be doing. Maybe HD was/is "Windows XP", 4k is/willbe "Vista" and 8k will be "Windows 7" lol

If 4k fails, it will be because it is too fat to fit. 8K will logically be even less likely to succeed.

At some point, consumers are going to recognize that the megapixel race isn't giving them significantly better rendition, just much, much larger files.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:29 AM

4k certainly may flop, like 3D appears to be doing. Maybe HD was/is "Windows XP", 4k is/willbe "Vista" and 8k will be "Windows 7" lol


3D appears to be flopping for three reasons - the need for 3D TV receivers (and 3D Blu-ray players), the lack of 3D broadcasting by the major networks (reluctance to invest in 3D capable equipment), and the dearth of 3D movies of real value. The forthcoming general release of Avatar in 3D may buoy up the market for 3D receivers a bit. http://www.engadget....edition-retail/

Regarding 4K capability: I've been away from the broadcast industry for too many years, so I don't know whether the current ATSC broadcast system will handle 4K video. I'm guessing that the cost of upgrading equipment will dissuade both broadcasters and DVD producers from producing 4K content for years to come.

In the Yamaha family of AVR's, all the new models support 4K passthrough. The three lowest priced models don't perform upscaling, but all the others do.

Edited by Cholly, 05 October 2012 - 10:48 AM.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

http://usa.denon.com...2113ci(denonna) their 2113 model. $650 too?! I'd think 4k passthrough would be more expensive than that!! I'd still wait though. There are bound to be bugs and enhancements that will eventually get ironed out within a year or so.


yeah, the Denon line is pretty competitive. Now if they just sounded as good as the Harman Kardon line... :)

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:17 PM

Regarding 4K capability: I've been away from the broadcast industry for too many years, so I don't know whether the current ATSC broadcast system will handle 4K video. I'm guessing that the cost of upgrading equipment will dissuade both broadcasters and DVD producers from producing 4K content for years to come.


A LOT of stations JUST FINALLY upgraded to HD (Some STILL haven't). I can't picture them upgrading again so soon. I can definitely see it on optical discs, and "cable" channels (Probably mainly premium channels first), but not OTA for awhile.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

Or even actually worry about buying something today, because it will probably be time for a new one by the time 4k is a reality for us to actually be getting it from broadcasters.

Heck there arent even that many 4k theaters in the country yet. When in Chicago I go to one called movieco...the PQ is fantastic.

We actually have 2 of them here...both Regal Cinemas.

WOW what a great picture quality on "the big screen".

A LOT of stations JUST FINALLY upgraded to HD (Some STILL haven't). I can't picture them upgrading again so soon. I can definitely see it on optical discs, and "cable" channels (Probably mainly premium channels first), but not OTA for awhile.

The conversion cost will be of the same scale as moving from SD to HD.
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#37 OFFLINE   kevinturcotte

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

We actually have 2 of them here...both Regal Cinemas.

WOW what a great pciture quality on "the big screen".

The conversion cost will be of the same scale as moving from SD to HD.


Yeah, but a LOT of them JUST paid for the upgrade. I can't picture them paying again so soon. Course, if they have their way, we'll all be paying $15 a month for just our local channels, so then they could afford it lol

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

Yeah, but a LOT of them JUST paid for the upgrade. I can't picture them paying again so soon. Course, if they have their way, we'll all be paying $15 a month for just our local channels, so then they could afford it lol

Actually....based on rising ticket prices over the past 1-2 years...

I likely paid for the upgrade at one of those theaters. ;):D
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

Actually....based on rising ticket prices over the past 1-2 years...

I likely paid for the upgrade at one of those theaters. ;):D


I'm talking about local OTA channels.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:36 PM

I'm talking about local OTA channels.

OK...you missed my humor point on the topic at hand at that time...but your point is well taken too.
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