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922 Sling "Fiasco"


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#51 OFFLINE   James Long

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:32 PM

Why you always omitting the key word - "EMBEDDED" ? :shrug:

I don't. Do the math.
Does embedding Sling in a 922 somehow combine to create "a complete and ignominious failure"? I still think not.

If Sling isn't "a complete and ignominious failure" and the 922 isn't "a complete and ignominious failure", how can combining them be "a complete and ignominious failure"?

- FireWire in 921
- E*IDE connector (60 pin) on 501/508/510/721/921, suppose to be EHD.

You have an odd idea of what is "a complete and ignominious failure". :rolleyes:

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:41 AM

Joeys don't have component or S-video output. Is this because of the component and S-video output fiascos of previous receivers?

Didn't I read that EHDs must connect to the Hopper and not the Joey? Does that mean that lack of support of EHD for a Joey is because of a fiasco?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:51 AM

Joeys don't have component or S-video output. Is this because of the component and S-video output fiascos of previous receivers?

No. It makes the Joey a fiasco at release. :lol:

I can understand why HD would be limited to HDMI where HDCP can be enforced to prevent copying. And the space needed for three more RCA jacks for component may have required a little taller case on the Joey or chipset changes that were too costly. Bottom line ... it is either HDMI or SD.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:25 AM

Joeys don't have component or S-video output. Is this because of the component and S-video output fiascos of previous receivers?

Didn't I read that EHDs must connect to the Hopper and not the Joey? Does that mean that lack of support of EHD for a Joey is because of a fiasco?


Component and S-video outputs are disappearing because the hardware manufacturers caved in to the content providers and eliminated the best analog outputs. While the Joey is strictly a client box, no hdd needed. Don't be mucking up the issue about the 922. :nono2:

Lets look at the facts.
1) The 922 still doesn't have BB@Home (which Dish is using as an advertising point for new accounts).
2) The 922 is not available from Dish as either an upgrade to existing accounts or as an option for new accounts.
3) The Hopper, which is based on the 922, doesn't have Sling embedded like the 922.

While the 922 might not have been a fiasco, the signs point to it not being successful. The 922 supporters keep asking about proof that the 922 was a fiasco. Why don't you show us the proof that the 922 has a future? :rolleyes:

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:40 AM

The guy out doing my Hopper install this morning said he's installed ONE 922 in the past year (or more)... Looks like most people were still going with lesser DVR's, and not willing to pay extra for the upgrade. If that's a common number, no wonder why it's being replaced basically.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:46 AM

While the 922 might not have been a fiasco, the signs point to it not being successful. The 922 supporters keep asking about proof that the 922 was a fiasco. Why don't you show us the proof that the 922 has a future? :rolleyes:


Sorry, but you're hopping on the wrong train.

I never said the 922 was a successful endeavor. It had enough problems and lack of support from Dish that probably has it on its last legs.

But... P Smith has asserted that embedded Sling on the 922 was a fiasco. I've asked him to prove his assertion. He fails to do that.

I don't need to prove the 922 has a future, as you ask, because I never said it did. I think it is clear the Hopper/Joey is intended to replace all of Dish receivers going forward until they come up with something better perhaps in a few years... so they may start backing away from things like the 922.

But that doesn't make the 922 or embedded Sling a fiasco. I've seen no proof of that.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

I did proof, but it cannot take its way into your brain :D.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:10 PM

In a way, "Sling" technology period is a fail. Why? Almost all phone carriers now have data limits, and with that you pretty much can't use it at all unless on wifi. Watching live video will push you over a 2GB limit very fast.

When my data became limited, I pretty much stopped using Sling on my phone, which was 75% of when I used it.

I wouldn't consider that a fault of the technology, just my take on why the technology itself doesn't seem to be catching on.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:25 PM

I did proof, but it cannot take its way into your brain :D.


Nothing you have posted is evidence of a fiasco. You obviously have formed your own opinion... but have no proof of why Dish decided to not include embedded Sling in the Hopper/Joey. You also have provided no proof that they might not bring back embedded Sling in a future product, nor have you provided proof that any kind of "fiasco" resulted in the decision.

All you've done is post opinion based on really nothing except that the 922 had embedded Sling and not the XiP series does not. There could be any number of reasons for this that do not equate to a "fiasco" and while you have demanded others prove their points with links to Web sites and other forms of proof, you have offered no tangible proof of your "fiasco" belief.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:08 AM

I see it as you can't make it opposite.
Your opinion based on pretty much extensive wording: no technical background, no internal functionality knowledge ...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:12 AM

I see it as you can't make it opposite.
Your opinion based on pretty much extensive wording: no technical background, no internal functionality knowledge ...


If you can't post any proof, then I'll consider this a done discussion. No sense in beating the dead horse and arguing over your opinion.

You have stated an opinion and attempted to assert it as fact with zero factual evidence to back up claims of a fiasco.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:49 AM

Yep. When the discussion gets to the "my invisible resume is stronger than yours" argument it is no longer a discussion of facts or opinion.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:53 AM

I think it was initial mistake to stir separate discussion of the aspect.
OK, it was my opinion (what else you want to see on the site ?), it was mention in between lines somewhere ...

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 07:49 AM

Sorry, but you're hopping on the wrong train.

I never said the 922 was a successful endeavor. It had enough problems and lack of support from Dish that probably has it on its last legs.

But... P Smith has asserted that embedded Sling on the 922 was a fiasco. I've asked him to prove his assertion. He fails to do that.

I don't need to prove the 922 has a future, as you ask, because I never said it did. I think it is clear the Hopper/Joey is intended to replace all of Dish receivers going forward until they come up with something better perhaps in a few years... so they may start backing away from things like the 922.

But that doesn't make the 922 or embedded Sling a fiasco. I've seen no proof of that.



No support from DISH?.I must have imagined my guide logos being updated 3 times since I bought my 922/wMT2,also the latest rumor from the other place is BBMP is coming to the 922 in April,2012.I will let you know if it does.;):D

Yes embedded sling is a "fiasco"!,or the suits at DISH wanted to increase profits per receiver and less costs?.You decide?;)

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 11:50 AM

No support from DISH?.I must have imagined my guide logos being updated 3 times since I bought my 922/wMT2,also the latest rumor from the other place is BBMP is coming to the 922 in April,2012.I will let you know if it does.;):D

Yes embedded sling is a "fiasco"!,or the suits at DISH wanted to increase profits per receiver and less costs?.You decide?;)


Something isn't a "fiasco" just because you decide to stop doing it. All the 922 problems that could be considered fiasco-like, I wouldn't say embedded Sling is one of them and haven't seen any proof to support that.

I believe they are still working on updates to the 922, and hope for Blockbuster support... but am pretty sure that all the original stuff planned for the 922 has been tabled. All the Web-enabled stuff like being able to search the Internet and IMDB for info on movies and such... I'm pretty sure that is never going to happen now.

I'll grant you that some of how Dish has treated the 922 (especially marketing or lack thereof) might could be considered a fiasco. Certainly much moreso than embedded Sling.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

Something isn't a "fiasco" just because you decide to stop doing it. All the 922 problems that could be considered fiasco-like, I wouldn't say embedded Sling is one of them and haven't seen any proof to support that.

I believe they are still working on updates to the 922, and hope for Blockbuster support... but am pretty sure that all the original stuff planned for the 922 has been tabled. All the Web-enabled stuff like being able to search the Internet and IMDB for info on movies and such... I'm pretty sure that is never going to happen now.

I'll grant you that some of how Dish has treated the 922 (especially marketing or lack thereof) might could be considered a fiasco. Certainly much moreso than embedded Sling.



Yes I agree,all I know if it is a fiasco(how can it be because it works good) I sure have enjoyed using it so far,everything has worked good on my 922/wMT2.:D

Everyone should have realized no Web-enabled stuff when DISH decided to not bring out the keyboard.:confused:;)

But there is still internet apps.:)

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

Yes I agree,all I know if it is a fiasco(how can it be because it works good) I sure have enjoyed using it so far,everything has worked good on my 922/wMT2.:D

Everyone should have realized no Web-enabled stuff when DISH decided to not bring out the keyboard.:confused:;)

But there is still internet apps.:)


Yep... and do you remember the original CES show talk was also about supporting a wireless monitor in another room. That never happened either.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

Yep... and do you remember the original CES show talk was also about supporting a wireless monitor in another room. That never happened either.



Well? it sounded good!.;):D

Think that idea went the way of the HIC on the Hopper&Joey?.;)




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