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DIRECTV has lost and got back Tribune stations due to retrans dispute


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#326 OFFLINE   DCSholtis

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

So I assume the Cubs games will not appear on MLB EI as well?
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

So I assume the Cubs games will not appear on MLB EI as well?


Well the Cubs feeds that are WGN wont appear in EI, but the CSN Chicago feeds will along with the opposing teams feeds.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

I'm well within the grade A service contour area for my local CW outlet KTLA-5 in Los Angeles here in South LA, and receive it fine OTA (AM21 on a HR22-100). But its a little funny since the shut-off the CW east DNS feed ch. 394 no longer shows as grayed-out in the CIG guide listings, yet if still gives me a 721 CNA message if I attempt to tune to it.


Same thing in Orange County, CA

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:56 AM

I'll save my hostility until Thursday. If I miss the Cubs season opener then I won't be a happy camper.


If this doesn't get solved by Opening Day, you may be ok since you are outside the WGN broadcast area. You might find the game on an alternate channel. I would check the MLB extra channels. You never know what DirecTV might turn on for people outside of the broadcast signal area.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

Another thing to consider is that other carriers will be watching this closely. If tribune gets away with something here, they will go after other Sat, Cable, Phone, etc. carriers and do the same thing.

I hope DirecTV holds ground.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

As others have stated... Put a short piece of wire into the Ant-Coax jack of your TV. Or better yet get a cheap set top antenna. They broadcast on UHF 19, so it should be fairly easy to pickup.


I live way too outside of Chicago to pick the channel up via Antenna. I'm on the very finge of their claimed viewing area. So fringe in fact that 2/3 markets can claim this area(the other is Peoria/Moline).
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

Another thing to consider is that other carriers will be watching this closely. If tribune gets away with something here, they will go after other Sat, Cable, Phone, etc. carriers and do the same thing.

I hope DirecTV holds ground.

Most cable systems have experienced some type of extortion intransigence in negotiations from one media company or another in recent years.

As a Dish subscriber and a long time advocate of prohibiting retransmission fees for local OTA broadcast channels, I hope that DirecTV holds out.

When News Corps' Fox successfully said to affiliates last year it'll be $1 per subscriber per month from each of you and dumped any affiliate that refused, we all knew that we'd soon be paying an additional $5 per month within five years unless the "retransmitters" held their ground.

I'm still of the opinion that if we're going to pay that much, national networks should simply become cable channels and leave the locals to sink or swim individually based on what they can offer that would attract subscribers. The whole 1958 broadcast network model is so out of date.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

I thought the FCC passed a regulation that during negotiations the viewers could not be held hostage by forcing the provider to drop the channel. This totally sucks always being in the middle of the negotiation. There is a must-carry rule for cable, why doesn't that must-carry rule apply to DirecTV too!

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

I live way too outside of Chicago to pick the channel up via Antenna. I'm on the very finge of their claimed viewing area. So fringe in fact that 2/3 markets can claim this area(the other is Peoria/Moline).


In your case you are outside the OTA range. You should get the alternative 390-399 channels.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

Guess I won't be upgrading my HR20 to an HR34 any time soon then.


Just get an AM21 or AM21N and you'll have the same setup but with 5 tuners and a 1TB HD!:D

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:07 PM

I haven't slept in 2 weeks worrying about losing my Tribune channels.

As of 9:20 EDT tonight, I can breathe easier, knowing all is indeed well.


????????? Oh the horror!

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:09 PM

I no longer have Direct but sympathize with what they are doing. Enough already with these networks continuing to raise fees for something that is free. Congress needs to redo all this mess they created. Fortunately, I live near Chicago and have an outstanding OTA, so whatever service I would have would make a no difference to me if they dropped locals. My OTA provides the best HD PQ and if I'm not channel surfing I usually watch network programs OTA most of the time.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:12 PM

I thought the FCC passed a regulation that during negotiations the viewers could not be held hostage by forcing the provider to drop the channel. This totally sucks always being in the middle of the negotiation. There is a must-carry rule for cable, why doesn't that must-carry rule apply to DirecTV too!


The TV station has the choice of Must carry, or Fee based. If they choose Must carry, they cannot demand retrans fees. Most if not all Network stations do not claim Must carry, that is usually used by independents and religious broadcasters.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

WGN HD is gone.
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Q13 Fox SD and JoeTv SD Seattle went down @12:16 AM.


No big deal, watch sometimg else!

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

I thought the FCC passed a regulation that during negotiations the viewers could not be held hostage by forcing the provider to drop the channel. This totally sucks always being in the middle of the negotiation. There is a must-carry rule for cable, why doesn't that must-carry rule apply to DirecTV too!


As I understand it, the FCC rule you're talking about is not retroactive, meaning carriage deals signed prior to the rule going into effect can still expire and lead to the channels being withheld. Deals signed after the rule went into effect would be covered. This question came up in the discussion back when Fox's deal was up for renewal back in October.

As for must-carry, that only applies if the station requests that status. Most stations nowadays don't do this because must-carry keeps them from receiving any retrans fees from the providers.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:22 PM

I know its not directv's fault, but at any rate, if i was with directv now, CW in my area would be gone. I don't know about any of you, but my wife would be on the phone making them cancel the contract for no termination fee.

I know people talk about watching it over the air, and thats a possibility as long as you buy the am21N, and an antenna. Thats 100 bucks or more. Plus, who has one lying around just in case it happens?

Now we wait and see when and if this is resolved. If I had an installation for this weekend, I would have had to cancel. CW is at least 33% or more of the programming watched in my household.


$50 from DIRECTV will get you an am21. Ad if you called in and complained enough about it, they might be willing to give you one for free for all this mess. Heck, I might call in just to see if they are doing anything like that.

And and your wife would have zero chance of getting out of that contract for free.

Edited by inkahauts, 01 April 2012 - 12:32 PM.


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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:31 PM

????????? Oh the horror!


Paul,
If you go back and read the post above mine, you'll get the sarcasm I was aiming for....

....and apparently missed!

Cheers.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:32 PM

As I understand it, the FCC rule you're talking about is not retroactive, meaning carriage deals signed prior to the rule going into effect can still expire and lead to the channels being withheld. Deals signed after the rule went into effect would be covered. This question came up in the discussion back when Fox's deal was up for renewal back in October.

As for must-carry, that only applies if the station requests that status. Most stations nowadays don't do this because must-carry keeps them from receiving any retrans fees from the providers.


Uh, the rule is they can't yank the channels without waring the customers. I don't think there is a single retransmission deal still in effect today that was signed before the 1992 rule went into effect.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:35 PM

I'd be royally TICKED off if I lost The CW in HD (I only get mine in SD), but since I only lost WGN America, I hope DirecTV plays MAJOR hardball with them. :D

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:50 PM

I suspect there will be a deal by the time may sweeps start, tribune can't afford the loss of ad rates from a bad may sweeps.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:57 PM

Just hit up antennaweb to see what I would need to pull in my Tribune owned Fox station, KSWB. Here's the results I got:

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Would that qualify me for DNS? Also, there is a small airport withing a mile of my location. Would their signals affect this?

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:09 PM

I'm surprised no one has brought this up. This is one of the most elaborate April Fools jokes I've seen in a long time.:lol:

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

I suspect there will be a deal by the time may sweeps start, tribune can't afford the loss of ad rates from a bad may sweeps.


I'd be surprised if it lasted longer than two weeks...

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:57 PM

Uh, the rule is they can't yank the channels without waring the customers. I don't think there is a single retransmission deal still in effect today that was signed before the 1992 rule went into effect.


OK, I must be thinking of something else. I thought a ruling was put in effect in response to one of the more recent disputes (might have been the Dish/Viacom one, but I don't remember which one for sure) that was intended to prevent this sort of practice from happening. And when the Fox issue happened, there was a report that mentioned the FCC rule and stated that it didn't apply because it wasn't retroactive.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:03 PM

Wow....

WPIX.com has a large banner saying that DIRECTV pulled the Tribune stations off the air, seemingly putting the blame on DIRECTV for not letting viewers watch the stations while talks continue.

Surprisingly, though, the article on their page says the following, contradicting their banner:



I'm glad they admitted THEY were the ones to pull the channesl, but their banners and headlines clearly want to blame DIRECTV for pulling the channels.

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