Jump to content


Welcome to DBSTalk


Sign In 

Create Account
Welcome to DBSTalk. Our community covers all aspects of video delivery solutions including: Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS), Cable Television, and Internet Protocol Television (IPTV). We also have forums to discuss popular television programs, home theater equipment, and internet streaming service providers. Members of our community include experts who can help you solve technical problems, industry professionals, company representatives, and novices who are here to learn.

Like most online communities you must register to view or post in our community. Sign-up is a free and simple process that requires minimal information. Be a part of our community by signing in or creating an account. The Digital Bit Stream starts here!
  • Reply to existing topics or start a discussion of your own
  • Subscribe to topics and forums and get email updates
  • Send private personal messages (PM) to other forum members
  • Customize your profile page and make new friends
 
Guest Message by DevFuse

Photo

Locals


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   ruralruss

ruralruss

    AllStar

  • Registered
  • 54 posts
Joined: Feb 05, 2010

Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:34 PM

I know Dish has rules about who gets what locals but why can't they make exceptions. I live on a North and South road. North of me is Chattanooga, South is Atlanta. We visit Chattanooga often, we shop, eat and drink there as well. We prefer it to Atlanta and would like to our locals from there. We are 20 miles closer to Chattanooga than Atlanta. My neighbor is also on dish lives South of me by a quarter mile. Closer to Atlanta than me. He wants his locals from Atlanta but can only get them from Chattanooga. We are in the same county and state. So the person closer to Atlanta that wants Atlanta locals has to have Chattanooga locals and me who lives closer to Chattanooga and wants Chattanooga locals has to have Atlanta locals.

...Ads Help To Support This SIte...

#2 OFFLINE   SayWhat?

SayWhat?

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,613 posts
Joined: Jun 06, 2009

Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:55 PM

I know Dish has rules about who gets what locals but why can't they make exceptions.


As far as I know, it isn't up to Dish. It's up to the broadcasters and the FCC.
Help stamp out Twits and Twitterers!

HD, SchmacHD!! Just be glad you've got a picture at all.

#3 OFFLINE   RaymondG@DISH Network

RaymondG@DISH Network

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 263 posts
Joined: Jul 21, 2011

Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:18 PM

I know Dish has rules about who gets what locals but why can't they make exceptions. I live on a North and South road. North of me is Chattanooga, South is Atlanta. We visit Chattanooga often, we shop, eat and drink there as well. We prefer it to Atlanta and would like to our locals from there. We are 20 miles closer to Chattanooga than Atlanta. My neighbor is also on dish lives South of me by a quarter mile. Closer to Atlanta than me. He wants his locals from Atlanta but can only get them from Chattanooga. We are in the same county and state. So the person closer to Atlanta that wants Atlanta locals has to have Chattanooga locals and me who lives closer to Chattanooga and wants Chattanooga locals has to have Atlanta locals.


The FCC has set Designated Market Areas (DMAs). The locals that you receive are determined by your zip code, and what DMA your zip code is part of.

#4 OFFLINE   joshjr

joshjr

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 4,373 posts
  • LocationNE Oklahoma
Joined: Aug 02, 2008

Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

The FCC has set Designated Market Areas (DMAs). The locals that you receive are determined by your zip code, and what DMA your zip code is part of.


That is not true. Neilson Media Company defines the markets based on viewership. The FCC then says that is what we go by. The FCC does not determine the DMA's. There are changes once per year (In November) if there are any changes to make.
Directv & Sunday Ticket Sub Since 8/19/2008
HR24-200 Leased, HR24-200 Owned, R22-200 Owned, HR22-100 Owned, HR22-100 Owned, HR34-700 Leased. 5 LNB Setup W/SWM 16 Switch
Sony KDL-46HX800

#5 OFFLINE   levibluewa

levibluewa

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 607 posts
  • LocationWA, OR, CA
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:43 PM

...and it only applies to the big 3 networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC plus FOX to protect the network-affiliate relationship...a relationship that perhaps had meaning when they were relying on cable to provide service...no longer needed...NY & LA O&Os can now cover the entire country. Let the affiliates survive on their own with reruns and local news.

#6 OFFLINE   runner861

runner861

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 859 posts
Joined: Mar 19, 2010

Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

...and it only applies to the big 3 networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC plus FOX to protect the network-affiliate relationship...a relationship that perhaps had meaning when they were relying on cable to provide service...no longer needed...NY & LA O&Os can now cover the entire country. Let the affiliates survive on their own with reruns and local news.


I tend to agree with you. What I really don't like is when a network affiliate picks up a second network on a subchannel, then receives exclusivity, knocking out a good neighboring distant station. The subchannel usually contains no additional local content. KSBW in Salinas started broadcasting ABC programming on its subchannel, knocking out KGO, the San Francisco affiliate some 85 miles away. KGO provided local coverage from the Bay Area and also from the Monterey-Salinas area, as well as maintaining a Sacramento bureau, providing coverage from the state capital. KSBW's answer to that is to simulcast the local news from its primary station (NBC) on its subchannel (ABC). KGO, while technically a distant, had been the de facto local ABC station for Monterey-Salinas for more than ten years, and had been viewed in that market via cable since the 1950s.

#7 OFFLINE   boba

boba

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 5,580 posts
Joined: May 23, 2003

Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:24 AM

DISH already lost in court so they now live by the rules.

#8 OFFLINE   ruralruss

ruralruss

    AllStar

  • Topic Starter
  • Registered
  • 54 posts
Joined: Feb 05, 2010

Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

The FCC has set Designated Market Areas (DMAs). The locals that you receive are determined by your zip code, and what DMA your zip code is part of.


But we are in the same zip code!

#9 OFFLINE   sregener

sregener

    Godfather

  • Registered
  • 605 posts
Joined: Apr 17, 2012

Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:04 PM

But we are in the same zip code!


Last I checked, it was by county. Are you in the same county? If so, then someone is getting the wrong channels.

#10 OFFLINE   ruralruss

ruralruss

    AllStar

  • Topic Starter
  • Registered
  • 54 posts
Joined: Feb 05, 2010

Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:29 AM

Last I checked, it was by county. Are you in the same county? If so, then someone is getting the wrong channels.


We are in the same county, they are just 1/4 mile or less south of us.

#11 OFFLINE   joshjr

joshjr

    Hall Of Fame

  • DBSTalk Club
  • 4,373 posts
  • LocationNE Oklahoma
Joined: Aug 02, 2008

Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:36 AM

Last I checked, it was by county. Are you in the same county? If so, then someone is getting the wrong channels.


His original post said same county. That does not make sense. You are correct that it does go by county. I live in NE Oklahoma and my zip code has two counties. Mine gives me local channels from Kansas and Missouri and the other county in my zip gets the Tulsa local channels. Sucks but that is the way it is. Dont feel like putting up a huge antenna to pull Tulsa in through OTA. If it was me, I would call the FCC and confirm with them which DMA he belongs in and then call his provider back. I will list my FCC contact that can answer that question below.

Margo Davenport FCC - Margo can be reached at 202-418-2949. She should have no problem at all telling you what DMA you belong to.
Directv & Sunday Ticket Sub Since 8/19/2008
HR24-200 Leased, HR24-200 Owned, R22-200 Owned, HR22-100 Owned, HR22-100 Owned, HR34-700 Leased. 5 LNB Setup W/SWM 16 Switch
Sony KDL-46HX800

#12 OFFLINE   Michael P

Michael P

    Hall Of Fame

  • Registered
  • 2,935 posts
Joined: Oct 27, 2004

Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:09 PM

Counties with just one or perhaps two exceptions are in the same DMA. If your friend with the same zip code is also in the same county, then it's true one of you are getting the incorrect locals. OTOH zip codes that straddle county lines can be divided using the "+4" part of the zip code that narrows the scope down to your neighborhood.

The exception I am aware of in in New Your state where one county between Rochester and Utica is split down the middle.
An E* subscriber continuously since February 1997.

#13 OFFLINE   jsk

jsk

    Icon

  • Registered
  • 730 posts
Joined: Dec 26, 2006

Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

Would you be able to get the channels that you want OTA? If so, which receiver do you have? Some of them will allow you to integrate the OTA into your guide seamlessly.
Dish Player DVR 722K with OTA module connected to the Eastern Arc




Protected By... spam firewall...And...