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Viewing 72.7 with Dish500


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#21 OFFLINE   garys

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

Willr, I now understand. You have to set the skew for what dishpointer tells you for 1000.4 as the receiver is not loaded with EA numbers. You may be using a dish 500, but that does not change the skew you need to use. It is the end number, not a part of any computation. If you are using a 722 you should have no problems with 72 and 61.5, but the 625 will not as it is not mpeg4, csr may have confused it with either a 622 or a 612.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

Will - the only way to use Eastern Arc (61.5 / 72.7 and opt 77) is to have ONLY VIP receivers. If you have DP receivers - you must use 110 / 119 with a Dish500.
You CAN put antennas on your owned and/or controlled property...

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:38 PM

No SD receiver can see MPEG 4. Are you sure 72 is 8PSK MPEG 2? I always believed the EA with the exception of the few transponders on 61.5 are MPEG4.

I didn't say that a SD receiver could see MPEG4 ... but there are several SD receivers that should be able to tune the 8PSK transponders and see any MPEG2 content on those 8PSK transponders.

There are no MPEG4 transponders. MPEG2 and MPEG4 are the way the channels themselves are encoded. The transponders can be QPSK, Turbo or 8PSK. One can have a transponder with all MPEG4 or all MPEG2 channels, or a mix of MPEG4 and MPEG2 channels.

A few years ago (2006) DISH introduced "ViP" channels - which were MPEG2 encoded but excluded from viewing on non-ViP HD receivers. The HD ViP channels were eventually converted to MPEG4 HD. It has been a few years, but I thought that when DISH first started using the arc setup that they had MPEG2 SD on 8PSK transponders ... which would have allowed a 8PSK SD receiver to use those feeds. Encodings change. I need to take a look at channels by type and see what is still in use.

I do not have a 8PSK SD receiver to test but I received a PM from a trusted person who tested a 8PSK SD receiver on 72.7 and got no signals - so I agree with scooper that a ViP receiver is required to view content off of 72.7.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

I called Dish, they agreed to replace my (owned) 508 with another receiver that I will also own. After I told them I would not sign into a 24 month contract, they would only offer me a Solo ViP 211k. I can live with DVR in the camper.

pros:
It will work on all satellites.
I can turn it off when ever I want.
It's $3.00 cheaper per month then the 508.
If I put an HD TV in the camper I will already have a HD receiver.

cons:
locals will be letter box (on SD TV) if I aim at 72/61.5.
IR remote only (UHF remotes can be a problem in crowded campgrounds anyway :( )


Also they said I can sell the 508 if I want to.

thanks for the help everyone. The receiver should be here this week. I can activate it on my EA/DPP44 at home, then take it to the RV next weekend and setup the dish.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:57 PM

locals will be letter box (on SD TV) if I aim at 72/61.5.

One can set the output to "Zoom" mode, which will crop the signal to 4x3 (much like the local signals are cropped on the SD feeds).

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:59 PM

I called Dish, they agreed to replace my (owned) 508 with another receiver that I will also own. After I told them I would not sign into a 24 month contract, they would only offer me a Solo ViP 211k. I can live with DVR in the camper.

pros:
It will work on all satellites.
I can turn it off when ever I want.
It's $3.00 cheaper per month then the 508.
If I put an HD TV in the camper I will already have a HD receiver.

cons:
locals will be letter box (on SD TV) if I aim at 72/61.5.
IR remote only (UHF remotes can be a problem in crowded campgrounds anyway :( )


Also they said I can sell the 508 if I want to.

thanks for the help everyone. The receiver should be here this week. I can activate it on my EA/DPP44 at home, then take it to the RV next weekend and setup the dish.

Yeah, for $5, sure ...


You missed one good feature - for $40 one time fee, you can convert it to DVR !

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:45 PM

One can set the output to "Zoom" mode, which will crop the signal to 4x3 (much like the local signals are cropped on the SD feeds).


Some of my locals are sending widescreen SD OTA (16:9 480i). :confused:
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:49 PM

Your logic is right on this post in regards to 110/119 so for the EA at 84 degrees the dish would skew 6 degrees CCW from "level" of 90 degrees. It is not what you posted in post #14.


Your right. Its up and running now.... With skew set 6 deg CCW from level (90).

First attempt I only received 72, and it was dark so I stopped for the night (had the skew set wrong). that night I discovered Encore Western is NOT on 72 so the next day I fixed the skew and got it aimed perfect and now receive both Sats.

No way I could get 110/119 because of the trees. The additional 10 deg higher (from my location) in elevation for 61/72 allowed me to see over the trees.

thanks for the help everyone.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:22 AM

Update in case anybody finds this thread searching for a solution.

I had the Dish 500 mounted to my camper, pointed at 61.5/72 and everything worked great.

I took camper off the lot and replaced it with new one. The new camper is a little different design. Because of a slide out location, the new camper sites about 5' different then the original camper. I hooked up the dish on new camper and could not get 61.5 to save my life. My cheep Satellite meter showed something, but receiver would not lock.

turns out I have an external wireless access point (weather proof, flat panel antenna) mounted about 15' up on a telephone pole about 60' away. the flat panel antenna is pointing at my camper. That AP lined up exactly where the 61.5 satellite is, but about 20 deg lower.
I moved the dish 10' and now I can get both 61.5 and 72 again. :)

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:48 AM

You could use a rifle to practice with the annoying source of RF interference :D.




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