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#1 OFFLINE   Stuart Sweet

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:58 PM

DIRECTV subscribers who live in some markets qualify for an automatic upgrade to HD-capable equipment. This is because all their local channels, even the standard-definition ones, use the MPEG-4 technology used everywhere for high definition service. If you live in one of these markets... you'll definitely be using HD-capable equipment.

  • Albany, GA
  • Alexandria, LA
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Anchorage, AK
  • Bangor, ME
  • Billings, MT
  • Biloxi - Gulfport, MS
  • Binghamton, NY
  • Bluefield - Beckley - Oak Hill, WV
  • Boise, ID
  • Butte - Bozeman, MT
  • Cedar Rapids - Waterloo - Iowa City - Dubuque, IA
  • Champaign - Springfield - Decatur, IL
  • Clarksburg - Weston, WV
  • Columbia - Jefferson City, MO
  • Columbus, GA - Opelika - Auburn, AL
  • Davenport IA - Rock Island - Moline, IL
  • Erie, PA
  • Eureka, CA
  • Evansville, IN
  • Fairbanks, AK
  • Ft. Smith - Fayetteville - Springdale - Rogers, AR
  • Ft. Wayne, IN
  • Gainesville, FL
  • Great Falls, MT
  • Greenville - New Bern - Washington, NC
  • Greenwood - Greenville, MS
  • Harrisonburg, VA
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Idaho Falls - Pocatello - Jackson, ID
  • Jonesboro, AR
  • Juneau, AK
  • Lincoln - Hastings - Kearney, NE
  • Lubbock, TX
  • Marquette, MI
  • Meridian, MS
  • Missoula, MT
  • Montgomery - Selma, AL
  • Odessa - Midland, TX
  • Panama City, FL
  • Peoria - Bloomington, IL
  • Quincy, IL - Hannibal, MO - Keokuk, IA
  • Sioux City, IA
  • Sioux Falls - Mitchell, SD
  • Springfield, MO
  • Syracuse, NY
  • Terre Haute, IN
  • Tri - Cities, (Bristol - Kingsport - Johnson City) TN - VA
  • Watertown, NY
  • Wausau - Rhinelander, WI
  • Wheeling, WV - Steubenville, OH
  • Youngstown, OH

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#2 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:27 PM

  • Albany, GA
  • Columbus, GA

Those are just off the top of my head...

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Edited by Alan Gordon, 01 May 2012 - 10:31 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

DIRECTV subscribers who live in some markets qualify for an automatic upgrade to HD-capable equipment. This is because all their local channels, even the standard-definition ones, use the MPEG-4 technology used everywhere for high definition service. If you live in one of these markets... you'll definitely be using HD-capable equipment.

  • Augusta, GA
  • Boise, ID
  • Burlington, VT – Plattsburgh, NY
  • Cedar Rapids-Waterloo, IA
  • Champaign–Springfield–Decatur, IL
  • Charleston, SC
  • Chattanooga, TN
  • Columbia–Jefferson City, MO
  • Davenport, IA – Rock Island–Moline, IL
  • Evansville, IN
  • Fort Smith, AR
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Greenville-New Bern-Washington, NC
  • Johnson City, TN – Bristol, VA/TN – Kingsport, TN (Tri–Cities)
  • Johnstown-Altoona, PA
  • La Crosse–Eau Claire, WI
  • Lincoln–Hastings, NE
  • Macon, GA
  • Myrtle Beach-Florence, SC
  • Peoria–Bloomington, IL
  • Rockford, IL
  • Sioux Falls, SD
  • Springfield, MO
  • Syracuse, NY
  • Toledo, OH
  • Traverse City–Cadillac, MI
  • Waco–Temple–Bryan, TX
  • Wausau-Rhinelander, WI
  • Youngstown, OH


Joplin/Pittsburg should be added to that list as well.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:00 AM

The information in post #1 has been updated with the latest data. Thanks, gct, for corrections and additions!
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:21 AM

Joplin/Pittsburg should be added to that list as well.


This one has not been added yet!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:20 PM

This one has not been added yet!


Josh,

I just double checked the data. It seems your CW station, channel 15, is still delivered to you in MPEG2 compression from the D8 Sat @101W.

Stuart's distinction in the original post was to list all those DMAs that are ALL MPEG4. That 100% requirement is the kicker. We have many DMAs that, like Joplin, have many/most/almost-all/MPEG4 LILs.

Check out the LIL TPN Map tab within the TPN_MAP Excel. All the information is available there.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:44 PM

Josh,

I just double checked the data. It seems your CW station, channel 15, is still delivered to you in MPEG2 compression from the D8 Sat @101W.

Stuart's distinction in the original post was to list all those DMAs that are ALL MPEG4. That 100% requirement is the kicker. We have many DMAs that, like Joplin, have many/most/almost-all/MPEG4 LILs.


Yeah... I deleted Jackson, TN from my list earlier today, because I wasn't sure about their situation.

I haven't had time to check it out though...

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

Josh,

I just double checked the data. It seems your CW station, channel 15, is still delivered to you in MPEG2 compression from the D8 Sat @101W.

Stuart's distinction in the original post was to list all those DMAs that are ALL MPEG4. That 100% requirement is the kicker. We have many DMAs that, like Joplin, have many/most/almost-all/MPEG4 LILs.

Check out the LIL TPN Map tab within the TPN_MAP Excel. All the information is available there.

Thanks!

I guess I took this as a list of DMA's that are defined as an MPEG 4 only market by DirecTV. My market is a MPEG 4 only market. The CW we get is actually the DNS feed imported to us. All locals in my market are offered only in HD. CW is not in my market but is offered to my market. Anyone care to clarify?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:42 PM

I guess I took this as a list of DMA's that are defined as an MPEG 4 only market by DirecTV. My market is a MPEG 4 only market. The CW we get is actually the DNS feed imported to us. All locals in my market are offered only in HD. CW is not in my market but is offered to my market. Anyone care to clarify?


For CW,
the DNS East Feed CWe, is channel 394
the DNS West Feed CWw, is channel 395

You have a remote feed from WDCW, but you do not have DNS service.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:05 PM

For CW,
the DNS East Feed CWe, is channel 394
the DNS West Feed CWw, is channel 395

You have a remote feed from WDCW, but you do not have DNS service.


I actually I do. I have DNS and locals both. The point I was making is that Joplin/Pittsburg is a MPEG 4 only market based on what DirecTV says. Is the list not for MPEG 4 only markets?

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:17 AM

Is this going to be updated to include Joplin/Pittsburg?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:15 PM

I thought Palm Springs was all mpeg4 too...

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 03:58 AM

I thought Palm Springs was all mpeg4 too...


Thats what I once thought, but it appears PS has one SD MPEG-2 feed PBSNET from the DNS service mapped to channel 65 as a virtual local.

So like Joplin/Pittsburg with its single inclusion of SD MPEG-2 CWe from DNS serving as virtual local channel 15, I guess that disqualifies it as 100% MPEG-4 market as well, for the above list criteria anyhow.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 11:47 AM

Thats what I once thought, but it appears PS has one SD MPEG-2 feed PBSNET from the DNS service mapped to channel 65 as a virtual local.

So like Joplin/Pittsburg with its single inclusion of SD MPEG-2 CWe from DNS serving as virtual local channel 15, I guess that disqualifies it as 100% MPEG-4 market as well, for the above list criteria anyhow.


They still qualify for an equipment upgrade, don't they? :confused:

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 04:04 PM

They still qualify for an equipment upgrade, don't they? :confused:

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Yeah they should;

Since as joshjr indicates, there seems to be a difference between what DIRECTV classifies as an MPEG-4 only market and what the list authors do at the beginning of the thread.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:54 PM

Yeah they should;

Since as joshjr indicates, there seems to be a difference between what DIRECTV classifies as an MPEG-4 only market and what the list authors do at the beginning of the thread.


Its kind of a no brainer to me. My counties big 4 locals are only offered in HD and there is no CW affiliate here either. Do you know anyone who would want SD CW only for locals? I dont. When people say locals they for sure want the big four. DirecTV told me I was in a MPEG4 only market and did swap my equipment for free. I have a R22 still and cant help but wonder when it fails (owned) what it will be replaced with. My guess is it will be a HR something. I dont understand how importing the CW from somewhere else and all my markets locals are HD only does not qualify my market as MPEG4 only. To each their own. DirecTV says its MPEG4 only. Thats all that really matters.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:07 PM

Greenville Washington New Bern NC market

we are a MPEG4 market we get,

WITN NBC HD
WNCT CBS HD
WCTI ABC HD
WYDO FOX HD
UNC TV HD
WNCT DT2 CW SD
UNC EX SD

also get
UNC SD that is off 101 satellite

We also still get CWe 394

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:21 PM

Greenville Washington New Bern NC market

we are a MPEG4 market we get,

WITN NBC HD
WNCT CBS HD
WCTI ABC HD
WYDO FOX HD
UNC TV HD
WNCT DT2 CW SD
UNC EX SD

also get
UNC SD that is off 101 satellite

We also still get CWe 394


Please see Stuart's post #1 - You are indeed total MPEG4 Market! Congratulations!


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:11 PM

Greenville Washington New Bern NC market

we are a MPEG4 market we get, ...

... also get
UNC SD that is off 101 satellite

We also still get CWe 394


Strange, if you're indeed an MPEG-4 only market, why are you receiving a UNC SD feed from 101? Particularly when you previously list a UNC HD feed from (according to the mapping data) WUNC-DT 15?

And why SD CWe ch. 394, when you already receive a satellite delivered SD CW feed from WNCT-DT2 ch. 15?

Edited by HoTat2, 23 June 2012 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 11:37 PM

Strange, if you're indeed an MPEG-4 only market, why are you receiving a UNC SD feed from 101? Particularly when you previously list a UNC HD feed from (according to the mapping data) WUNC-DT 15?

And why SD CWe ch. 394, when you already receive a satellite delivered SD CW feed from WNCT-DT2 ch. 15?


Thanks, HoTat2, for taking the ego and emotional involvement out of this thread, in favor of technical accuracy. Just go to the 'LIL TPN MAP' tab in the Excel to see what DIRECTV defines as your network (Net 591 in this case) and what programming is provided. If the 'Name' and 'Channel' is shaded in blue, it is an MPEG4 channel.


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:35 AM

Strange, if you're indeed an MPEG-4 only market, why are you receiving a UNC SD feed from 101? Particularly when you previously list a UNC HD feed from (according to the mapping data) WUNC-DT 15?

because UNC is a state run PBS its probably easier just to open up the SD feed to all NC residents regardless of location

And why SD CWe ch. 394, when you already receive a satellite delivered SD CW feed from WNCT-DT2 ch. 15?

If the CW local feed was recently added sometimes it takes a while for the distant one to be removed.

I'm kinda in the same boat. My location I get the national PBS (389) and the local PBS. I think it has to do with a quirk that my location is in a large market yet I get a couple SV stations.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:55 AM

DIRECTV subscribers who live in some markets qualify for an automatic upgrade to HD-capable equipment. This is because all their local channels, even the standard-definition ones, use the MPEG-4 technology used everywhere for high definition service. If you live in one of these markets... you'll definitely be using HD-capable equipment.


Thanks, HoTat2, for taking the ego and emotional involvement out of this thread, in favor of technical accuracy.


I don't see where "ego" or "emotional involvement" has anything to do with it. :confused:

Stuart's post, and the sentence I bolded above in particular implies to me that this thread is intended to keep track of what markets qualifies a person for automatic upgrades to HD.

If the intention is to only list 100% MPEG4 markets as you stated, it's only fair that there should be a disclaimer in the first post that the list only contains markets in which the channels offered are 100% MPEG4, and that one may still be eligible for equipment upgrades in additional markets.

I can't speak for joshjr, but I'd personally give my blessing to Stuart Sweet to delete my first post in this thread, and I suspect joshjr would allow him to do the same so that Stuart can have the 1st and 2nd posts in the thread (or simply start a new one) allowing him to make a second list that lists markets that are less than 100% MPEG4, but still offers MPEG4 upgrades.... or he could just make two separate lists in his original post.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:46 AM

because UNC is a state run PBS its probably easier just to open up the SD feed to all NC residents regardless of location. ...


But for the residents that receive the HD feed from WUNC-DT, I still see no reason for an MPEG-2 SD one from 101 in an MPEG-4 market.

... If the CW local feed was recently added sometimes it takes a while for the distant one to be removed.

I'm kinda in the same boat. My location I get the national PBS (389) and the local PBS. I think it has to do with a quirk that my location is in a large market yet I get a couple SV stations. ...


This is possible I guess ...

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:52 AM

But for the residents that receive the HD feed from WUNC-DT, I still see no reason for an MPEG-2 SD one from 101 in an MPEG-4 market.


Since everyone can receive 101°, I see no reason why they shouldn't offer it.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:45 PM

Since everyone can receive 101°, I see no reason why they shouldn't offer it.

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For CONUS beams sure, but not everyone has spotbeam capacity on 101 for their locals. Thus the need for MPEG-4 only markets and equipment.

In fact since UNC is not a national channel I'm not even sure how the MPEG-4 "Greenville Washington New Bern NC market" is receiving an MPEG-2 SD spotbeam from 101 unless its one intended for another market overlapping that one.




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