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#1 OFFLINE   wco81

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

Dish site touts it as a free item.

Promises access to live TV and recorded content. Nothing mentioned about restrictions on certain channels being barred.

So is this mainly some kind of Sling integration into E* DVRs? I'm a D* customer contemplating a switch (no way I'm paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade to leased equipment when I can get equipment for free elsewhere or at least I would be able to own things like Cable Card equipment).

Are they including those now to entice new customers or something? Sling charges ridiculous prices for their mobile apps. So is this E* TV Everywhere service also requiring pricey mobile apps?

Is it only streaming over the Internet or is it possible to preload the mobile device with recordings so you can use on flights?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

According to the TV Everywhere web page...

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...the apps are free (if the print is too small, click on the picture for a bigger version). With that said...

The Dish Sling Adapter system is fine for watching via the internet from your Dish Network equipment while paying your Dish subscription.

On the other hand, my Slingbox PRO-HD can be used with any source. I paid for it once. And yes I paid for a App to use on our iPads. Someone is out there updating the software and keeping it all working for me. I don't pay them a monthly subscription. So I don't expect a lot of free stuff like I would if I had a Sling Adapter that limited me to viewing through one of my Dish DVRs.

You see the Slingbox will permit me to view through the internet content from my ViP722DVR and all my other equipment, even a DVD in my DVD player or, should I choose to change services, a cable company.

And if you are a Dish subscriber, depending on your package you have access via the internet to a lot of content available for streaming beyond what you can get through a Sling Adapter.

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#3 OFFLINE   wco81

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:30 PM

Thanks, so streaming only.

Does it work with the Hopper?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

Yes, it works with the Hopper. You do need the Sling Adapter as it is not sling loaded like the 922.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

Do you need a wired connection at the DVR or will it work with wireless?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:14 PM

It will work with wireless, but no Dish DVRs are wireless. They need a USB wireless adapter, but there are other ways to get a solid ethernet connection to the receiver. Your technician will hook it up as part of the install.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:32 AM

Although a sling box is a good solution, realize Dish's sling adapter is only $30, the app is free, and uses only 1 tuner on hopper so local viewers don't have to watch the same thing you are slinging. It's far better than anything D* has at the moment.

One caveat is you need pretty serious upload speeds for a good picture when slinging DVR content or live TV.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:28 AM

Yeah I think the D* Nomad is like $150 or $200.

I will say though that there are times when you can't stream, like on a plane or if you're staying somewhere with poor Internet connection.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 09:48 AM

But aren't there plenty of 3rd party solutions for offline viewing, like capture cards and disc recorders?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

According to the TV Everywhere web page...

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...the apps are free (if the print is too small, click on the picture for a bigger version). With that said...

The Dish Sling Adapter system is fine for watching via the internet from your Dish Network equipment while paying your Dish subscription.

On the other hand, my Slingbox PRO-HD can be used with any source. I paid for it once. And yes I paid for a App to use on our iPads. Someone is out there updating the software and keeping it all working for me. I don't pay them a monthly subscription. So I don't expect a lot of free stuff like I would if I had a Sling Adapter that limited me to viewing through one of my Dish DVRs.

You see the Slingbox will permit me to view through the internet content from my ViP722DVR and all my other equipment, even a DVD in my DVD player or, should I choose to change services, a cable company.

And if you are a Dish subscriber, depending on your package you have access via the internet to a lot of content available for streaming beyond what you can get through a Sling Adapter.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:19 AM

Man that''s big box. It wouldn't fit my present TV cabinet..


The tiny red waffel thing on top of the reciever is the sling box.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

I don't think a third party product would be able to access the files on the DVRs easily, would they?

Not to mention whatever kind of encryption they may be using.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

I don't think a third party product would be able to access the files on the DVRs easily, would they?

Not to mention whatever kind of encryption they may be using.


Not any more than a Sling adapter or Box could. The Sling adapter has to "take over" TV2, whereas if you hook up a Sling Box Pro HD it would need to be hooked up to TV1 to send HD. The advantage of the Dish Sling adapter is that it allows viewing two different HD shows from a VIP622 or VIP722.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

Not any more than a Sling adapter or Box could. The Sling adapter has to "take over" TV2, whereas if you hook up a Sling Box Pro HD it would need to be hooked up to TV1 to send HD. The advantage of the Dish Sling adapter is that it allows viewing two different HD shows from a VIP622 or VIP722.


I just wanted to clarify the compatibility of the Sling Adapter. The Sling Adapter will work on an internet connected ViP722, ViP722k, and Hopper. The ViP622 is not compatible with the Sling Adapter.

Also to answer the OP's question, the DISH Remote Access App is Free. It is compatible with iOS and Android. The Sling Adapter retails for $30.

The minimum requirements for streaming with the Sling Adapter are listed here, http://www.mydish.co...slinging-device.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

I don't think a third party product would be able to access the files on the DVRs easily, would they?

Not to mention whatever kind of encryption they may be using.

I've burned hundreds of DVDs from cable/sat/OTA over the years. I just press a button and go to bed. In the morning I have a DVD for my trip. Not as fast as copying a file like NOMAD does, but pretty painless nonetheless. PC video capture solutions would be just about as easy and in HD. But DVD quality is good enough for my laptop.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:32 PM

Using component video outputs, converting back to digital, then burning to DVD?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:55 PM

Using component video outputs, converting back to digital, then burning to DVD?

That's about how it would go with a PC and a capture card. But I just use a standalone DVD recorder and the composite outputs. So I start playback on the DVR, press record on my DVD recorder and walk away. No, conversions, no editing, no PC. Like I said, DVD quality is good enough for the road IMO. In the past 10 years or so I've gone through a couple of DVD recorders and several hundred DVDs. But with all the streaming available these days, I've essentially stopped burning DVDs.

Just throwing some ideas out there for you.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:58 PM

Thanks, though I'm not sure how common DVD recorders are these days.

But I would more likely want to use an iPad to view the recordings, not something with a DVD drive. I know those portable DVD players with screens are cheap now but I could more justify packing a tablet, which would do a lot of things besides play movies, than a DVD player, for trips.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:18 AM

I know this isn't exactly what you are looking for, but Netflix on an iPad works extremely well.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:59 AM

Thanks, though I'm not sure how common DVD recorders are these days.

But I would more likely want to use an iPad to view the recordings, not something with a DVD drive. I know those portable DVD players with screens are cheap now but I could more justify packing a tablet, which would do a lot of things besides play movies, than a DVD player, for trips.


For an iPad, I just rip the DVD. J&R still sells new recorders. But I got most of mine from eBay for around $40. True, they are getting more scarce. If your goal is a file, then the PC route with a capture card is a better option anyway.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

I don't see how you can get HQ on a tablet with only 500 kbps!?
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:44 AM

Their terminology is meaningless. Of course it's going to look like youtube at those lower rates. I guess "standard" on a big screen rates as "high" on a small screen.

Bottom line is the low data rates look ok on tiny screens, and awful on big screens. On my LAN, I get over 8Mbps from my sling adapter, and it looks very good, even on a big screen. Outside my LAN, I only get 1Mbps (due to the upstream limit of my ISP) and it looks ok on an iPhone, and marginal on an iPad. The sling itself is not the limiting factor, your ISP is.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:21 PM

Their terminology is meaningless. Of course it's going to look like youtube at those lower rates. I guess "standard" on a big screen rates as "high" on a small screen.

Bottom line is the low data rates look ok on tiny screens, and awful on big screens. On my LAN, I get over 8Mbps from my sling adapter, and it looks very good, even on a big screen. Outside my LAN, I only get 1Mbps (due to the upstream limit of my ISP) and it looks ok on an iPhone, and marginal on an iPad. The sling itself is not the limiting factor, your ISP is.


Agree.

Somehow I am reminded of Star****'s coffee cup size schemata; no small or regular!

May I ask what do you send an 8Mbps stream to inside your home, and via what connection? (You can tell I don't own a Sling)
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:36 PM

Agree.

Somehow I am reminded of Star****'s coffee cup size schemata; no small or regular!

May I ask what do you send an 8Mbps stream to inside your home, and via what connection? (You can tell I don't own a Sling)

Most of my devices are hardwired to my 10/100Mbps router, a few are N or G. Even G gives me 16Mbps throughput, so I get the full 8Mbps the sling adapter can pump out on all my devices with no problem.

I don't have a slingbox (too expensive), just a sling adapter, but I assume they work pretty much the same. The sling adapter uses the DVR's ethernet connection and automatically streams as fast as it can. Sometimes it starts slow and ramps up to full speed in a few seconds. Whatever device you use for viewing shows the bitrate so you know exactly what you're getting.

Some people even sling to a second TV, but that requires a PC and all its baggage (slow start up time, noise, navigating via web browser with wireless keyboard/mouse. etc.). I just use a wireless HD transmitter for that (wired would work better, but pulling more cables would be difficult in my case).

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

I have a Slingbox PRO-HD. Within my home there are no apparent problems with video quality from the Slingbox, as the router, even via wireless, has bandwidth and speeds that exceed what is needed.

Comcast is my ISP with an internet upload speed of about 4.1 Mbps. When I'm visiting family 100 miles south who also have Comcast, the video on my iPad or laptop is more than adequate, though probably would not be satisfying viewed on a 72" screen through a computer. But when I get to some hotels/motels 200 miles away which offer limited bandwidth/speeds, even when physically connected to their LAN with a laptop quality is a problem.

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