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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)


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#61 OFFLINE   Shades228

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:29 PM

Just to clarify I didn't mean to imply that the reason the Disney channels were pulled is similiar to this. I meant to imply that DISH's attitude will be similiar that once they have dug their heels in it takes an appellate court to pull em out.

(Yes I know that court, at this time, cannot order DISH to carry AMC nor was I implying that one would.)
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

Similar tiers? Do not buy into those DirecTV ads of AMC not being in a basic Dish base package. Currently, it is available in the $14.99 Welcome Pack, the $44.99 Dish Latino Dos with HD Dos Free, and the $59.99 America's Top 200 with HD 200 Free.

Recently, DirecTV added the Entertainment Package with AMC in it which I believe is $54.99 without the HD feed (which would be another $10). So, that would be $64.99.

I'm not really making an apples-to-apples case. If Dish drops AMC it won't have it in any tier.

Ominously, AMC (along with IFC, etc.) are no longer listed in the America's Everything Pak web page, much less the Welcome Pak. But....

It used to be that my combination of Dish with AT200, AT&T measured land line, Comcast ISP, and Pioneer long distance was at least 10% cheaper than Comcast bundled. That margin has dropped to 4%. If I have to pay to view important (to me) award winning shows through Amazon or Netflix - "Mad Men," "The Killing", "Breaking Bad", and "Hell on Wheels" - then Comcast becomes cheaper.

Right now DirecTV says on their web site that HD and an HD-DVR is free with their packages. If I have to pay to view important (to me) award winning shows through Amazon or Netflix - "Mad Men," "The Killing", "Breaking Bad", and "Hell on Wheels" - then DirecTV becomes cheaper.

However, it may be cheaper to save the $15/mo by dropping down to the AT120 and streaming those shows through Amazon and/or Netflix.

The problem here is that the VOOM dispute became personal between Charles Ergen and Charles Dolan. That's what happens when Charles is in charge.:D

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:18 PM

Right now DirecTV says on their web site that HD and an HD-DVR is free with their packages. If I have to pay to view important (to me) award winning shows through Amazon or Netflix - "Mad Men," "The Killing", "Breaking Bad", and "Hell on Wheels" - then DirecTV becomes cheaper.


I wouldn't take a DirecTV DVR if they paid me to use it. I got stuck with a pokey HR22 for my contract period, and rain falls up faster than it would respond. From reading the DirecTV forums, the problem does not exist on every receiver, even the same model number, but I wouldn't take a chance that they won't break the ones that work trying to fix the ones that don't.

I'd rather lose AMC and gain BBC America than have to watch the awful SD DirecTV puts out. SD on DirecTV makes worn out VHS look good. Compare your channel lists carefully before switching, and be sure it's worth it to keep AMC...

And for your reference, I switched from DirecTV to Dish on April 21.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

Again, for me TV is all about access to the content I want. Equipment can be an issue, but without the content, equipment that feeds 3-D life size appearing video and live-sounding audio directly to my brain is useless.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:39 PM

There is not a show on TV that I cannot live without. I might be annoyed if one I liked disappeared in a contract dispute, but it would not make me change carriers.

I do not tolerate content providers extorting money from carriers. Period. I would more than likely stop watching a show I liked if it became a pawn in this kind of silliness.

I hate hype and the ratings race. The more a show is hyped, the less likely I am to watch it. I cut AMC out of my viewing many, many years ago when they dropped the 'no commercials' format. Same with FoxMo. I no longer watch it at night when they interrupt films. If they start doing it during the day, I will block them from the channel guide.

That said, I don't watch any of the shows mentioned anyways. None of them make any sense to me.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:25 PM

Mediacom here doesn't carry BBCA-HD, not sure about AMC HD. Unfortunately in our area, they haven't gone all digital, so we only have about 25 HD channels total.

And it is sad 'cause they just sent me a sweet offer!


And that's why they sent you a sweet offer.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:44 PM

I record, but so far have never watched The Killing. That's it for me on AMC so I don't really care much about this particular fight. As others have mentioned, if I decide at some point to watch The Killing, I can get it legally various ways on the net.

For me, if it weren't for the convenience of an HD DVR, 'cutting the cable' is becoming a viable alternative.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:27 PM

I really hope this works itself out somehow. I watch Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Killing, and my favorite show is The Walking Dead - all of them are on AMC. I've been with E* for 9 years but if the channel that airs 40% of my favorite shows is taken away I will go elsewhere.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:54 PM

^^ Well, then you might want to contact AMC and demand they be more reasonable.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 08:57 PM

As this proceeds, keep in mind that Dish has not allowed AMC into the Top 120 tier. It is in a similar tier at DirecTV and Comcast. That may account for the "low ratings" statement which means its true by Dish's choice.

DISH negotiates package placement with the providers. When AMC was placed in what is now DISH's most popular level they knew their channel would not be available to all customers. AT200 is the most popular due to the inclusion of additional channels one cannot get in AT120 or AT120 plus. The popularity of AT200 channels among DISH customers is demonstrated by customer being willing to pay more to receive them (although as a package one cannot say if people are paying more specifically for AMC, BBC America, Speed or any of the other channels - 29 in HD - that make up the step between AT120 Plus and AT200).

A channel that argued "we're not viewed because we're not in the lowest tier" is basically admitting that their programming is not good enough to convince people to upgrade their tier.

It should also be noted that DirecTV did not have a "AT120" similar tier until this past February, and it could be argued that they still don't have one. Their lowest tier based package was Choice which is an "AT200" similar tier. The new "Entertainment" tier removes RSNs and a few sports channels but does not get down to the price level of AT120.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 11:52 PM

It should also be noted that DirecTV did not have a "AT120" similar tier until this past February, and it could be argued that they still don't have one. Their lowest tier based package was Choice which is an "AT200" similar tier. The new "Entertainment" tier removes RSNs and a few sports channels but does not get down to the price level of AT120.

That's true. But it does have AMC.

My point wasn't about price, though. If you can't get AMC through Dish, you can't get it through Dish no matter what you're willing to pay.

And like I say, I'll drop to AT120. I have an Amazon App on my Panasonic Blu-ray player to watch the last two episodes of the seasons of "Mad Men" and "The Killing". I'll have to learn how to use it, though.

Thing is, if they do drop AMC then cut a deal two weeks later I won't be paying the $15 ever again. I will have been forced to make a decision I was too lazy to make. In addition to AMC and Dish, the losers of $2 or $3 or $4 a year will be Bravo, BET, and a bunch of other channels I don't watch.

I will say this. AMC has done a good job of offering quality scripted programming. Certainly it is not the volume of HBO which gets $13 a month from me. But on this list...

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...they apparently were getting 23¢ a month. If they asked for double that they still wouldn't be getting as much as TBS.

I don't for one moment believe this is about money for Charlie Ergen and Dish. It's about VOOM and Ergen holds a grudge. He can do real harm to AMC. And Rainbow Media has Charles Dolan as Chairman of the Board, so I don't expect any give there.

But I've been wrong before. We'll see.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:12 AM

That's true. But it does have AMC.

My point wasn't about price, though. If you can't get AMC through Dish, you can't get it through Dish no matter what you're willing to pay.

I thought your point was what I quoted ... that DISH's placement of AMC in a higher tier reduces the ratings among DISH viewers.

I will say this. AMC has done a good job of offering quality scripted programming. Certainly it is not the volume of HBO which gets $13 a month from me. But on this list...

That list is old and a lot of networks (including AMC) have changed since it was published.

We may be seeing a move of the AMC channels to a la carte ... or at least DISH pushing that as an option. If people want those channels they can pay for them specifically.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 06:03 AM

I'm too busy watching the channels I do have,that I haven't any time to worry about channels I may not have.;):D

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:37 AM

If you want AMC, make sure you contact Dish Network! Follow the link below and voice your opinion. Posts here won't get the attention of Dish. Based on the various news articles, it appears that Dish has already made the decision to drop AMC and “Dish will make alternative high-value channels available to our customers as replacements.” What does this really mean???

Contact Dish: /www.dish.com/chat

“AMC Networks’ very limited popular programming is nonexclusive, and available to our customers through multiple other outlets such as Amazon.com, iTunes and Netflix,”

Now that is funny considering that Hell on Wheels is not on Netflix and NF only has the first 6 episodes of The Walking Dead. And with Dish pushing their Blockbuster@HOME service you would figure Dish wouldn't want to push people to Netflix (even though the content of NF is much larger).

And Dish pays more subscriber fess for the Sundance channel than AMC??? WTF? :mad: Maybe to get one you have to purchase all the entire AMC family of channels.

If Dish does drop AMC, that is a lot of money that AMC will lose (and potential reduction in viewers for their shows) and potential lose of Dish subscribers.... definitely not a win/win situation for Dish or AMC.

Seems like situations like this occur quite often on all the providers when negotiating contract renewals and subscriber fees.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:19 AM

i will NOT miss AMC
but i do have it on comcast to

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:32 AM

i will NOT miss AMC
but i do have it on comcast to

:rolleyes:
You sure changed your tune. You relished in the idea Dish had AMC in HD when DirecTV didn't.

and i am enjoying BBC HD ,AMC HD, NATGW HD :D

AMC Renews "Walking Dead" for season 2
http://www.deadline....d-for-season-2/

And yet DirecTV STILL does not see the value of this popular series enough to carry it in HD.

HD Leader my ass.


Dish does:D

I wouldn't enjoy Sunday Ticket if I had it for free. :D
(But there are 15 basic cable channels that could be named.)

domingos35 (and other DISH subs), DirecTV subs can handle the disappointment without help.
Let's move along ...


not a problem
i have to go watch AMC HD now :lol::D:hurah::)

AMC HD is now up and running in glorious HD on DISHNETWORK:D

AMC HD is now up and running on channel 130 showing The Terminator


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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:34 AM

If you want AMC, make sure you contact AMC! Follow the link below and voice your opinion. Posts here won't get the attention of AMC.

http://www.amctv.com




There. Fixed that for you.

When it comes to these issues, it is ALWAYS the provider that needs to be brought into line.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:49 AM

I thought your point was what I quoted ... that DISH's placement of AMC in a higher tier reduces the ratings among DISH viewers.

That's sort of a given. If it were in the lower tier more people would be watching.

That list is old and a lot of networks (including AMC) have changed since it was published.

Yes, that's true. I wish SNL Kagen would make a new list public.

Here's the most recent set of numbers I've seen which is the top 20 and seems to indicate about a 20%-25% increase since the 2009 list:
  • ESPN ($5.06)
  • ESPN 3D ($2.71)
  • 3net ($1.29)
  • TNT ($1.21)
  • Disney Channel ($0.97)
  • NFL Network ($0.84)
  • Fox News ($0.82)
  • ESPN2 ($0.67)
  • USA Network ($0.62)
  • TBS ($0.59)
  • MGM HD ($0.58)
  • CNN en Espanol ($0.58)
  • CNN/HLN ($0.57)
  • Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite ($0.52)
  • HDNet ($0.47)
  • FX ($0.46)
  • Fox College Sports ($0.39)
  • MTV ($0.39)
  • HDNet Movies ($0.38)
  • Big Ten Network ($0.37)
  • Discovery Channel ($0.37)


We may be seeing a move of the AMC channels to a la carte ... or at least DISH pushing that as an option. If people want those channels they can pay for them specifically.

I wish we could get all the "groups" of channels by ownership that way, and all in HD.

It would force the big media conglomerates into the capitalist world rather than the near-socialist approach they now use. For instance, I could do without the entire Disney/ABC/ESPN group of channels including the ABC local. It appears it would save me $15± at today's prices and, using a rough guess at what number of subscribers would pay what, if there weren't any mandatory basic packages they would have to charge $35+ a month to generate between 40% to 60% of the revenue the Disney folks now rip all of us off for.

But I don't see this type of approach happening anytime soon. Rainbow Media is a weak group. And as I said, by dropping access to their channels Dish could cause them significant harm. And that's what tends to happen when you have two intransigent Charlie's in charge.;)

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:50 AM

What's 3net?
When news breaks...we fix it.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 10:53 AM

What's 3net?

From their web site:

Launched on February 13, 2011, 3net, the joint venture of Sony Corporation, Discovery Communications and IMAX Corporation brings together three of the world's leading media, technology and entertainment companies to provide the nation's first and only fully programmed, 24/7 3D network. The three partners deliver an extraordinary collection of award-winning 3D content....


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