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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)


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#126 OFFLINE   Inkosaurus

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:51 PM

To me it seems that Dish saying that they do not want to pay a higher rate to AMC because they don't want to raise our rates, yet if they in turn dump AMC and save X amount of dollars for Dish, they will not pass that savings on to us. I'm just sayin.


Did your rates go up when you got a new channel? (MLB) nope.

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#127 OFFLINE   Jaspear

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:03 PM

All AMC Networks have already been removed from the Channel Line-up Card PDF's. How is that helping their customers?


It's helping prospective customers by not giving them false expectations if the channels are removed. It's helping Dish by reducing the chance a new customer will run to a law firm to file a class action suit.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:48 PM

It's helping prospective customers by not giving them false expectations if the channels are removed. It's helping Dish by reducing the chance a new customer will run to a law firm to file a class action suit.


But the channel line up cards in hopper boxes still state AMC is part of the T200 package. So it is a little misleading regardless.

Lets see.....they (Dish) removes AMC and I get no reduction in fees. I have no options to pay more for the channel. Then, if I do want to watch some of the new AMC shows I have to pay $2 or $3 a show through Amazon, etc........screw that! AMC you have lost a customer.

I personally think the streaming video pricing model is a rip off. For $3 (HD) you can only watch an episode only once. You can buy the entire season blu ray for the same price (entire season watched online once). Not to mention you have to deal with internet quotas if you stream too much.

And what about all the people that don't have internet connections that can support streaming video......

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 05:55 PM

i drop the price of the packeges if they do drop them.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:29 PM

It's helping prospective customers by not giving them false expectations if the channels are removed. It's helping Dish by reducing the chance a new customer will run to a law firm to file a class action suit.


That part of my post goes with the part that was before it. In other words, Dish has already decided to the pull those channels without any negotiations. Now how is Dish not trying to keep those channels for their customers helping their customers? You would think that they would try until the last minute to keep them.

And the argument about Dish doing their best to keep prices down for their customers is pretty naive. Dish is always doing their best to keep their costs down. A subtle difference. But in this case, I believe that Dish is doing their best to hurt AMC Networks over the VOOM lawsuit.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:51 PM

To me it seems that Dish saying that they do not want to pay a higher rate to AMC because they don't want to raise our rates, yet if they in turn dump AMC and save X amount of dollars for Dish, they will not pass that savings on to us. I'm just sayin.


does dish raise your rates every time they add a new HD channel? NOOOO
But i don't see you bitch about that .

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:52 PM

Why don't they offer it as an a la carte movie channel. I'm sure that those, who want it, will spend a couple of extra buck to have it.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:58 PM

I've noticed on Dish's web site that if you look at the channels on the packages...AMC is gone from the Welcome Pack, the AT200 and the AT250...IFC is also gone and a couple of others. I guess they really mean it when those channels will be gone.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:12 PM

I've noticed on Dish's web site that if you look at the channels on the packages...AMC is gone from the Welcome Pack, the AT200 and the AT250...IFC is also gone and a couple of others. I guess they really mean it when those channels will be gone.


Yeah, it is a done deal. AMC is gone for good. :(

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:42 PM

Plus, from Dish's point of view and mine, these premiums don't increase the cost of a package for people don't want the content. This is an important issue as far as I'm concerned.


A very important distinction.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:42 PM

I've noticed on Dish's web site that if you look at the channels on the packages...AMC is gone from the Welcome Pack, the AT200 and the AT250...IFC is also gone and a couple of others. I guess they really mean it when those channels will be gone.


Nah. I worked for Dish during the FX takedown and many other potential takedowns. They learned there lesson with the FX channels takedown, call volume increased dramatically during that time, for a ton of reasons.
Alot of it was new customers looking to use it as a way out of there contract, citing that the website listed the Channels as available before they signed up.

Ofcourse they didnt hold any legal ground but they still called in and call escalations to supervisors, loyalty department and even specialty departments like ERT were at an all time high.

I wouldnt use there takedown on the website as an indicator that there playing hardball in the negotiations. Fact is we have just under 2 months or so before the possible take down and theres plenty of time for this to be resolved, regardless of what the online line up lists.

I'd reckon there just getting prepared for the worst, I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if the agents werent already briefed with quick uptraining regarding it and scripts regarding the whole situation and all the potential variables are probably already saved and bookmarked by most competent agents.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:43 PM

Yeah, it is a done deal. AMC is gone for good. :(


Guessing you don't negotiate? :)

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:36 PM

Why don't they offer it as an a la carte movie channel. I'm sure that those, who want it, will spend a couple of extra buck to have it.


AMC would have to agree to that, which I doubt they would.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:28 PM

Why don't they offer it as an a la carte movie channel. I'm sure that those, who want it, will spend a couple of extra buck to have it.


AMC would have to agree to that, which I doubt they would.


Exactly... Dish would probably be game to set a much higher price for any channel IF that channel could be delivered a la carte because then Dish only pays when someone specifically wants that channel at that price.

I've noticed on Dish's web site that if you look at the channels on the packages...AMC is gone from the Welcome Pack, the AT200 and the AT250...IFC is also gone and a couple of others. I guess they really mean it when those channels will be gone.


Naah... don't read too much into that. It takes less than a few minutes to make those modifications to the Web site and keep the old data as a backup... so within seconds they could restore all the stuff they just edited out IF a new contract is signed.

But... Dish gives more of an appearance of being serious if they go ahead and start taking down the info.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:42 PM

does dish raise your rates every time they add a new HD channel? NOOOO
But i don't see you bitch about that .


Please! Dish can ad any channel they want without asking me. I didn't ask for it nor did I agree to pay for it. But I did agree to pay for a package that included AMC. It was their special package and I agreed to pay for that package. They offered that package. They chose the specific stations for that package. Those included stations were designed to entice customers to choose that package. So you think it's OK for them to just drop channels from that package at their whim? Sure they can do it. But that don't make it right. As far as me not bitching about Dish adding a station, you're correct there. I don't bitch when I get a raise either because hey, maybe they think I deserve it. I think most of us would bitch if they, out of the blue, lowered our wage though. Same thing here. They lowered the value of my package and increased the value of their package.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:57 PM

Please! Dish can ad any channel they want without asking me. I didn't ask for it nor did I agree to pay for it. But I did agree to pay for a package that included AMC. It was their special package and I agreed to pay for that package. They offered that package. They chose the specific stations for that package. Those included stations were designed to entice customers to choose that package. So you think it's OK for them to just drop channels from that package at their whim? Sure they can do it. But that don't make it right. As far as me not bitching about Dish adding a station, you're correct there. I don't bitch when I get a raise either because hey, maybe they think I deserve it. I think most of us would bitch if they, out of the blue, lowered our wage though. Same thing here. They lowered the value of my package and increased the value of their package.

Well said.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:09 PM

I don't think either company employs whimsy when adding or dropping a channel or group of them.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:33 AM

Well, looks like I'll be staying with D*. And I was so close to switching to Dish. But with no Disney (little one loves Disney channels), no ESPNU and ESPN News, and now probably no AMC...it ain't happenin. Guess I will call D* and have them set me up with 2 more HD boxes and whole home DVR and get locked into another 2 year contract (sigh). Hopefully I can get them to set me up with an HR34 for a good price, as my HR23's are super slow.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:19 AM

Well, looks like I'll be staying with D*. And I was so close to switching to Dish. But with no Disney (little one loves Disney channels), no ESPNU and ESPN News, and now probably no AMC...it ain't happenin.


To be clear, Dish carries Disney East/West, ESPNU and ESPN News, just in SD. And Dish's SD is quite watchable, unlike DirecTV's. They apparently will not carry AMC in HD or SD.

The a la carte idea is one worth considering. The argument has long been that packages make channels cheaper. AMC would have to see the glass as half-full; some carriage is better than no carriage. Dish could drop the channel from their packages, and not lose customers who really wanted AMC. Back-of-the-envelope calculations put the break-even price around $2.50/month.

The problem, of course, is that AMC makes more than that if people buy their episodes on Amazon or iTunes. AMC may actually want to be removed from packages to increase their bottom line.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:21 AM

Well, looks like I'll be staying with D*. And I was so close to switching to Dish. But with no Disney (little one loves Disney channels), no ESPNU and ESPN News, and now probably no AMC...it ain't happenin. Guess I will call D* and have them set me up with 2 more HD boxes and whole home DVR and get locked into another 2 year contract (sigh). Hopefully I can get them to set me up with an HR34 for a good price, as my HR23's are super slow.


Let's be accurrate here. Dish has Disney, ESPNU, and ESPN News. ABC Family too. Don't have them in HD but they are available to view in SD. I'll agree I'd rather have them HD. Suspect when contracts come up for renewal again we will, but it's not like life ends because I can only see them in SD.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:25 AM

Those included stations were designed to entice customers to choose that package. So you think it's OK for them to just drop channels from that package at their whim? Sure they can do it. But that don't make it right.


I think you're overstating your position. Frankly, I believe that the real issue is the 2-year commitment they insist on in order to get customer discounts. You sign the agreement, you accept the early termination fee, but then they change the game on you. If you could drop the commitment (sending back all equipment and paying a termination fee equal to the installation cost), you could drop the company and keep the programming you want until...

All the providers work the same way. They drop channels from the lineup if price increases make it too expensive to keep them. DirecTV may drop AMC come next negotiating session. Your local cable company might drop them, too. There's no promises that a channel that is here today will still be around come next contract term.

The reality is that if AMC is that important to you, that one channel above and beyond all else, then you will either pay the ETF and go to a provider that carries it (and I recommend cable, since they seem to be the only ones without a commitment) or pay an online provider to give you the episodes you want. Someone else has done the math and figured dropping their package to Top120 and buying the shows they watch is cheaper than paying the ETF or switching to another provider. YMMV.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:10 AM

Why don't they offer it as an a la carte movie channel. I'm sure that those, who want it, will spend a couple of extra buck to have it.

AMC would have to agree to that, which I doubt they would.

Agreed ... AMC wants 10-14 million DISH customers to pay 40/80 cents per household - whether or not they actually watch AMC. On the low end they walk away with $4 million per month, $48 million a year. Make the channels a la carte and they would have to sell a lot of subscriptions at a higher price just to break even.

Channels know they are better off in packages sold to people who don't want them as well as the people who will make a lot of noise if the channel wasn't there. Very few channels have decided to allow a la carte sales. Most of them are not very popular or are very expensive a la carte.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:07 AM

If you could drop the commitment (sending back all equipment and paying a termination fee equal to the installation cost)

You do realize that the ETF charge, even if you canceled in the first month is still no where close to the actual cost of acquisition and installation right? If the contract was 4 years you'd be right on the money :P

The a la carte idea is one worth considering. The argument has long been that packages make channels cheaper. AMC would have to see the glass as half-full; some carriage is better than no carriage. Dish could drop the channel from their packages, and not lose customers who really wanted AMC. Back-of-the-envelope calculations put the break-even price around $2.50/month.


Yeah but when it comes to a la carte they gun for profit and not to break even on past earnings, especially if there going a la carte because Dish said no to there increase negotiations. Thats assuming the majority of the 14million customers decided to add AMC a la carte.

There going to factor there price to over compensate and its going to be much higher then 2.50$ , just look at the current a la carte offerings that are on Dish to get an Idea of some of the extremes the a la carte price could be.
Personally I think the price would be about 5-7$

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:45 AM

I personally think the streaming video pricing model is a rip off. For $3 (HD) you can only watch an episode only once. You can buy the entire season blu ray for the same price (entire season watched online once).


This isn't quite true. When I bought Downton Abbey Season 2 in BluRay from Amazon, I was also given the HD streaming rights along with it. Technically I could sell the BluRay discs. That would cut my cost in half. There's also no limitation to how many times I can watch it.

There must be some way to record these streaming movies to be able to watch them again.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:55 AM

This isn't quite true. When I bought Downton Abbey Season 2 in BluRay from Amazon, I was also given the HD streaming rights along with it. Technically I could sell the BluRay discs. That would cut my cost in half. There's also no limitation to how many times I can watch it.

There must be some way to record these streaming movies to be able to watch them again.


Just use a screen capture program , like camtasia studio, just make sure it has options to record audio too (some surprisingly dont have that option).

Qualities usually pretty decent if you choose the right compression and conversion options.




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