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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)


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#1551 OFFLINE   joyandjerry

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:24 PM

It is still worth noting that the noise has died down pretty quickly... Dish rode out the speedbump of dropping the AMC channels, and honestly there doesn't seem to be any urgency to add them back.

Ultimately AMC loses in this scenario. The viewers have moved on and found other things to watch now.


Not in our case. We don't watch Breaking Bad, but Hell on Wheels is coming up on August 12 and we don't want to miss that or TWD. So more subscribers will care as these shows premiere, and I'm sure that it will hurt new subcribers making a choice betw. sat. services.

CS informed me today they are "open to negotiations", and seems to think it will be settled eventually, as TWD is so popular.

Well, maybe. But I'll be streaming "Hell on Wheels" through Amazon and wishing AMC were still on Dish so I could justify the $15 in order to see BBCA's "Copper".


Dish still has BBCA (in HD, unlike DTV), so you'll be able to see Copper. We're looking forward to that, too. Jerrry and I are HUGE British mystery fans. The ones that are not shown in the U.S. I buy on disc and resell after viewing.

Our computer is at work, so we cannot stream at home. IFC has a lot of content which we enjoyed, so we'll make the switch to DTV if the situation is not resolved in the next several weeks.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:59 PM

What are you going to do if you switch and those shows get cancelled?
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

What are you going to do if you switch and those shows get cancelled?


Which shows do you mean? AMC series are quite popular, so cancellation is not an issue. And if I'm happy with the provider, I'll stay. One could go crazy constantly comparing prices to save a few $ monthly.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

Called today to disconnect a 311 after adding a 722K+sling. As I finished she offered any of the premium movie channels at half price for 6 months. Isaid I would rather have AMC and she said they were working on it and hoped to have it back soon. Not sure if this is an official line but it. Is what she said.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 03:14 PM

Which shows do you mean? AMC series are quite popular, so cancellation is not an issue. And if I'm happy with the provider, I'll stay. One could go crazy constantly comparing prices to save a few $ monthly.


Cancellation is always a possibility. Production costs, viewership, compensation requirements by cast members, change in producer/writer all play factors in if a show is renewed. Chasing a show or $$ gets expensive, especially if there are termination fees.

I think AMC will be back on Dish, but who knows when that will happen.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 04:40 PM

ANY show on ANY channel can be canceled, due to 2 major things, viewership (ad revenues) & production costs (salaries & costs).

Several great shows were lost due to the Writers strike a few years back, Los Vegas for one, some delayed, '24' & 'mad men', etc

Breaking Bad is the final season, would think at least another AMC hit will exit too, but back to the first line above of course. :)
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 05:32 PM

Still no sad loss for me. As mentioned earlier on this thread, I haven't really cared for the network formerly known as American Movie Classics since the format change.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 10:52 PM

Which shows do you mean? AMC series are quite popular, so cancellation is not an issue. And if I'm happy with the provider, I'll stay. One could go crazy constantly comparing prices to save a few $ monthly.


Breaking Bad is canceled. It is airing half the final season this year, half in 2013... but it is already canceled.

Isn't the Killing canceled?

Mad Men didn't air at all in 2011 due to a dispute between AMC and the creators of Mad Men. Don't be surprised if the next dispute results in cancellation OR a move to another network.

Walking Dead they literally ran off the showrunner in season 2 and cut the budget. Don't be surprised if that show has another dispute next season.

No channel is immune from having shows be canceled. AMC has actually had as much trouble with its showrunners as it has had with Dish!

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:21 AM

Last I read, Mad Men just started production of Season 6 and Season 7 will be their last.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:40 AM

Breaking Bad is canceled. It is airing half the final season this year, half in 2013... but it is already canceled.


Is there any guarantee those will even be run? It wouldn't be the first time shows were 'in-the-can' but never aired.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:30 AM

Breaking Bad is canceled. It is airing half the final season this year, half in 2013... but it is already canceled.


Stewart, do you not understand the difference between a show being canceled as opposed to a show that has come to its final Season. Were "Mash" or "Cheers" "canceled"? Cancellation of a show happens when the ratings are poor, which is clearly not the case for "Breaking Bad" since its Season 5 premiere set ratings records for the show, which is available on Cable and Satellite, but not DISH Network.

Is there any guarantee those will even be run? It wouldn't be the first time shows were 'in-the-can' but never aired.


Again, that situation occurs when a show struggles in the ratings, not the case here, despite your aversion to AMC shows.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:35 AM

Again, that situation occurs when a show struggles in the ratings, not the case here,


As has been shown many times in this thread and others, while the rating may be high for AMC, they are very low in comparison to other shows and networks. AMC has such a limited audience, high ratings there don't really mean much in the overall picture.

It's like saying certain models of the Yugo outsold other Yugo models.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:49 AM

TWD is cable's number one rated series, and hads a very high rating/share in the "desirable" 18-49 demo. Of course, due to writer's disputes, etc., anything can happen, so these are all excellent points.

"Cancellation" is pulling the show due to poor ratings. Some shows are planning to run a certain amount of seasons. Seven seems to be the lucky number! Mad Men and Burn Notice are both planning seven seasons. Other shows, such as Game of Thrones have planned limited seasons. If these shows weren't "performing" welll enough for the network, they would be pulled from the schedule instead filming adln. seasons.

We also would miss AMC for other "future" series that may interest us. I am alread missing IFC and Sundance. But I have a lot stored on the DVR, and switching would be a PIA, so I'll wait it out a bit.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:10 AM

Absolutely true! No provider can or does provide it all.

If I were to return to Dish, which is still a probability although timing isn't so sure, I would lose AMC altogether, and a number of sports channels in D*'s sports pack that have boxing that Dish doesn't have. I would pick up Epix which I like.

If I stay with D*, I'll pay more but get those channels. But BBCA is in SD and horrid SD at that. And at the moment D* has more of the big 4 premiums in HD than E* does.

If I cancelled D* and paid the ETF, I would still save money in the first year (about $20/month), and save a few bucks after that (somewhere around the $10 mark).

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:25 AM

Currently there are a lot more shows on than I have time to watch so my DVR has been filling up with AXS concerts, Longmire, Rissoli and Isles, The Closer, NYC22, Falling Skies and some of the Epix movies, not to mention the upcoming 2 weeks of Olympics. I would love to have AMC for Hell on Wheels but can easily get that online. I just started watching Breaking Bad so it will be quite awhile before I am ready to watch this seasons efforts and by then it will likely be available by DVD from Blockbuster. Mad Men is also on my list to start but just haven't had the time. I love my 722s and Sling Adapter and really have no plans to switch from Dish.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:28 AM

AXS is turning out to be a pretty good addition as far as concerts. Commercials between sets, but they're limited.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:41 AM

I watched the Chicago concert the other night. Tunes were classic but the voices are really starting to fade. The one I really enjoyed was the Phil Collins Going Back concert with 3 of the Funk Brothers. John Fogerty is always great and his voice is still right on. I see that Tower of Power will be on Aug 5 so that should also be a good one.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:33 PM

We have AEP, so we had all of these concert stations all along, but I wasn't aware of them. (Every so often I scan for stations that may have been added, but that's not high up on my priority list!) Palladia is another great one, in HD. For us lovers of serious :P hard rock, Alice In Chains, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden and Green Day all had great concerts, with minimal commercial interruption. "Offensive" lyrics were beeped, though.

But none of this can substitute of TWD, IMOSHO.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

Tunes were classic but the voices are really starting to fade.


Have you heard McCartney lately? He doesn't sound right at all.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:02 PM

Generally, canceled means the network doesn't want it anymore, for any reason, although its usually ratings or costs. Sometimes it has good ratings, but it's still not justifiable due to the costs of the show to produce. Mad men almost got canceled not because of ratings, but because of money, that does happen. Ending a show instead of canceling is usually a result of the producers and creative team deciding they have no stories left or desire to keep telling stories for that show, so they let the network know they are not going to renew, even if they are offered to keep it going by the network. Often times thats a mutual decision as well. I believe house is one prime recent example of that.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

Stewart, do you not understand the difference between a show being canceled as opposed to a show that has come to its final Season. Were "Mash" or "Cheers" "canceled"? Cancellation of a show happens when the ratings are poor, which is clearly not the case for "Breaking Bad" since its Season 5 premiere set ratings records for the show, which is available on Cable and Satellite, but not DISH Network.


Do you not understand that regardless of the reason... if the show isn't on anymore, then you can't watch it. So... everyone who goes and switches providers and makes a 2 year commitment, then a year from now none of these shows you switched to watch are still on... how good of a decision will that be in hindsight?

And before you say "that can't happen"... consider what has already been said and what shows we know already won't be back beyond next year.

Again, that situation occurs when a show struggles in the ratings, not the case here, despite your aversion to AMC shows.


Who said I had an aversion to AMC shows? IF you read my posts... I acknowledge that they have several good shows, whether I watch them or not... and I do watch Walking Dead. I just can't justify AMC's value based on about a handful of programming... and apparently AMC doesn't value their programming either, given the disputes they keep having with the various showrunners of these programs.

Generally, canceled means the network doesn't want it anymore, for any reason, although its usually ratings or costs. Sometimes it has good ratings, but it's still not justifiable due to the costs of the show to produce. Mad men almost got canceled not because of ratings, but because of money, that does happen. Ending a show instead of canceling is usually a result of the producers and creative team deciding they have no stories left or desire to keep telling stories for that show, so they let the network know they are not going to renew, even if they are offered to keep it going by the network. Often times thats a mutual decision as well. I believe house is one prime recent example of that.


Exactly. Breaking Bad increased its ratings... and yet it will be gone. Was it canceled due to low ratings? No... but the fact remains that it will not be on after next year's half season.

And Mad Men, as popular as it is... AMC was fine not having it in production or airing for an entire year while arguing over more product placement, shorter episodes to air more commercials, and less episodes per season... all things that seem odd when simultaneously arguing how good the show is and how popular it is... then wanting to muck with it AND take it off the air a year while arguing with the producers about such things.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

And before you say "that can't happen"...


Story breaking about some of the cast (including Sofia) of 'Modern Family' suing the producers over their contract terms. Might affect production, might not.

Isn't that one of the most popular programs on TV right now?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 03:01 PM

We have AEP, so we had all of these concert stations all along, but I wasn't aware of them. (Every so often I scan for stations that may have been added, but that's not high up on my priority list!) Palladia is another great one, in HD. For us lovers of serious :P hard rock, Alice In Chains, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden and Green Day all had great concerts, with minimal commercial interruption. "Offensive" lyrics were beeped, though.

But none of this can substitute of TWD, IMOSHO.


I am surprised at how so many people did not know about AXS (formerly HDNet) as it is already in America's Top 120 and above and Dish Latino Dos and above. The "regular" channel number is 362; maybe no one was looking in that channel range for it. Right now it is on channel 131 as well as the "high quality replacement for IFC. At one time, it was HD only, too. Therefore, I am guessing SD subs are just discovering it, too. According to DIRT, Palladia is back in AT 120 (as well as BB@Home [channel 369], but I cannot confirm that.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 03:06 PM

I am surprised at how so many people did not know about AXS (formerly HDNet)

At one time, it was HD only, too. Therefore, I am guessing SD subs are just discovering it, too.


That's probably why I'm just finding it.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 03:16 PM

Generally, canceled means the network doesn't want it anymore, for any reason, although its usually ratings or costs. Sometimes it has good ratings, but it's still not justifiable due to the costs of the show to produce. Mad men almost got canceled not because of ratings, but because of money, that does happen. Ending a show instead of canceling is usually a result of the producers and creative team deciding they have no stories left or desire to keep telling stories for that show, so they let the network know they are not going to renew, even if they are offered to keep it going by the network. Often times thats a mutual decision as well. I believe house is one prime recent example of that.


:confused: If that is so then why did the producers spend a rumored quarter of a million dollars for the use of a genuine Beatles song this season? (and it wasn't even one of their hits)
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