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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)


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#1626 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 10:55 AM

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"Dish Chairman Says Subscribers Don't Like AMC Shows That Much, Anyway"

Dish continues to attack AMC Networks in the media..... I don't think AMC is coming back any time soon.
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#1627 OFFLINE   RAD

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

He also made this statement which might make some Dish subs upset:

"But Dish customers aren't thinking about zombies stunts in New York City, Mr. Ergen said during the call. "They live in farms and ranches," he said. "They have no clue about zombies and New York."


Maybe that's why Dish doesn't carry the NYC RSN channels ;)

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#1628 OFFLINE   DoyleS

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 12:30 PM

Dish has made their position pretty clear. They do not want Sundance, IFC and WE. They only want AMC. AMC is not Viacom negotiating with 17 channels and having a lot more than one of them that is popular. I don't watch the Viacom channels but I can easily see how a family with Children would want those channels. Hell on Wheels starts in 2 days and I would love to watch it but my DVR is full with shows recorded and not watched during the Olympics and unlike olympics, I don't really have to worry about Spoilers with HoW. Who knows, I may be happy waiting to watch it next year on DVD.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:24 PM

The News Story that just won't go away. Here is another one on AMC's expected revenue drop. The article states that HDNET movies is part of AMCs programming. I did not realize that if in fact it is true.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 01:51 PM

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"Dish Chairman Says Subscribers Don't Like AMC Shows That Much, Anyway"

Dish continues to attack AMC Networks in the media..... I don't think AMC is coming back any time soon.


Two things wrong with that statement:

1. Ergen made those statements on an Investor conference call... not to the media directly. That someone wrote a media article about an earnings call is not the same as Ergen or Dish going to the media to bash AMC.

2. Nothing I read there was an attack on AMC at all. Very clearly, to me, Ergen reiterated Dish's consistent stance that he believes Dish customers that watch AMC is a small number, and that while AMC does have some heralded programming AMC doesn't want to just negotiate for AMC without forced carriage of the other channels that even AMC acknowledges aren't as in demand. That's not an attack, it's just stating facts as Ergen knows them.

The News Story that just won't go away. Here is another one on AMC's expected revenue drop. The article states that HDNET movies is part of AMCs programming. I did not realize that if in fact it is true.
http://in.reuters.co...tm_medium=email


HDNet movies is not part of AMC... I don't think Style is either, but I could be wrong about that. Whomever wrote that article didn't do their fact checking.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:00 PM

I went looking into that and it doesn't even look like HDNet Movies exists any more, having been morphed into AXS.

While the domain name and graphics still use it, the About Me page text doesn't:

http://www.hdnetmovi...t-hdnet-movies/
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:19 PM

Two things wrong with that statement:

1. Ergen made those statements on an Investor conference call... not to the media directly. That someone wrote a media article about an earnings call is not the same as Ergen or Dish going to the media to bash AMC.

2. Nothing I read there was an attack on AMC at all. Very clearly, to me, Ergen reiterated Dish's consistent stance that he believes Dish customers that watch AMC is a small number, and that while AMC does have some heralded programming AMC doesn't want to just negotiate for AMC without forced carriage of the other channels that even AMC acknowledges aren't as in demand. That's not an attack, it's just stating facts as Ergen knows them.

HDNet movies is not part of AMC... I don't think Style is either, but I could be wrong about that. Whomever wrote that article didn't do their fact checking.


Maybe they meant that hdnet movies has the rights to air many movies that amc also has the rights to air? Very incorrectly worded if that's what they meant, but could that be the point?

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 02:22 PM

I still believe there will be a carriage agreement by the end of Sept. at the latest.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:19 PM

You mean you 'hope' there will be a carriage agreement.

I 'believe' when I 'see' it when it comes to Charlie vs another Billionaire Pi$$ing contest !! Charlie is used to getting his way, the ultra rich are many times that way, 'yes your highness, whatever you want your highness', blah, blah, blah.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

I'd like to think that is right but only time will tell. Meanwhile the thread goes on.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:26 PM

I went looking into that and it doesn't even look like HDNet Movies exists any more, having been morphed into AXS.

While the domain name and graphics still use it, the About Me page text doesn't:

http://www.hdnetmovi...t-hdnet-movies/


There is a glitch in that Web site...

HDNet Movies very much exists.

HDNet became AXS TV...

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

Maybe they meant that hdnet movies has the rights to air many movies that amc also has the rights to air? Very incorrectly worded if that's what they meant, but could that be the point?


That's about the only stretch of logic that might make sense... if the idea was meant to be that AMC airs similar movies to HDNet Movies... except of course HDNet Movies airs them uncensored and commercial free... so that's not a real comparison to me.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:24 PM

Got home tonite and there was a card in the mail from Dish about Hell on Wheels which starts This Sunday. It said to call for special offers. I called and told them I have apple tv and he said to order HoW from iTunes and call Dish back and they would credit me for the amount I paid. Not bad I'm my opinion.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:14 PM

You mean you 'hope' there will be a carriage agreement.

I 'believe' when I 'see' it when it comes to Charlie vs another Billionaire Pi$$ing contest !! Charlie is used to getting his way, the ultra rich are many times that way, 'yes your highness, whatever you want your highness', blah, blah, blah.

We all 'hope' but no $$ on that one!


I met ergen when he visited the call center I worked at. He was nothing like. He's more of a frugal old coot then anything else he still drives a real old banged up car lool.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 08:29 PM

He also made this statement which might make some Dish subs upset:

Maybe that's why Dish doesn't carry the NYC RSN channels ;)


It only makes Dish customers upset because it is out of context... I've seen several news outlets quoting snippets from Charlie out of the conference call... but I finally found a transcript of the call which reads entirely different in context!

All quotes below are from Charlie in the conference call and sheds light on several things we have discussed in addition to clarifying the farmers vs zombies quote...

"So then you look at AMC and you look at the fact that -- the critically acclaimed series are critically acclaimed, and I don't want to take anything away from them. But our -- they're critically acclaimed, but they're not viewed as much by our particular audience as one might believe based on the critical acclaim that the channel gets. It's kind of like a movie gets critical acclaim and then does $12 million at the box office. I mean, that's great that it won Academy Awards, but only did $12 million."

"And then the third thing is, that when our customers can go to iTunes or get Mad Men the same time it's on, the economics is we could pay for every customer -- we could pay -- for every customer who would watch Mad Men, we could pay their entire iTunes bill and it would be cheaper than burdening our customers who don't watch those channels with that cost."

"Our customers -- just read the blogs. Go read -- our customers are not looking at zombies in New York City. They live in farms and ranches. They have no clue about zombies in New York City marching around saying where is my AMC? I mean, they're watching a Saturday night movie with their husband or their wife or their kids with no commercials, and they're ecstatic, and their price didn't go up."

"Well, there's a lot of -- there is a lot of disconnect between Nielsen and our customers. I can't speak to anybody else. But it's not a huge issue with most of our providers today, as long as they don't make us -- as long as we're not forced to carry channels we don't want to carry, right? So obviously, AMC discussion might have gone a different way if IFC, Sundance and WE weren't in the equation, right, because then you can talk about value of one particular thing versus the value of 4 channels."

Full article here.

In summation then...

1. Charlie wasn't insulting Dish customers... he was saying that he doubted most Dish customers knew about the zombie thing in NY promoting Walking Dead. I have to say, I like the Walking Dead and I didn't know about this zombie march until well after the fact myself!

2. Charlie says the AMC programming is good, but not getting the viewers that some other programming does... and value/price is tied as much to the eyeballs as it is the quality. This is not new, you see it all over movies/tv where quality programs don't make the money that inferior product does.

3. Charlie says the AMC negotiation would be completely different if he could take just AMC and not also be forced to take IFC, We, etc. that nobody was screaming for... We have speculated this, and here it is from the horse's mouth... AMC might still be on Dish IF Dish could negotiate for AMC independent of the other channels.

4. Charlie explains the rationale behind the offers to pay people's iTunes (and probably the Rokus as well) that it is actually cheaper to do that than pay what AMC wanted for all the channels, including ones nobody wants that badly.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:13 AM

And of course I would assume any 'owner' of the company to NOT appear arrogant and 'special', but you are likely correct, I suspect, except for cursing & off colored jokes, etc he is the same as always & maybe what we see/saw in Charlie chats.

Still does not mean he is ruthless in pi$$ing contests with other billionairs and expects to win, IMO!
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:14 AM

I am looking to switch to Dish, but the rest of the family wont agree unless the Walking Dead can be watched.

Will it be on on the Web for free? I dont want to pay $14.95 for a season on Apple TV.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:54 AM

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:36 AM

The News Story that just won't go away. Here is another one on AMC's expected revenue drop. The article states that HDNET movies is part of AMCs programming. I did not realize that if in fact it is true.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:54 AM

Style channal and E! are owned by Comcast.


NBCUniversal owns E! & Style.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

NBCUniversal owns E! & Style.


And Comcast merged with NBCUniversal... so what Paul said is still accurate.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:33 PM

To be precise, Comcast owns 51% and GE owns 49% of NBCU which owns E! and Style.;)

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:04 PM

Two things wrong with that statement:

1. Ergen made those statements on an Investor conference call... not to the media directly. That someone wrote a media article about an earnings call is not the same as Ergen or Dish going to the media to bash AMC.

2. Nothing I read there was an attack on AMC at all. Very clearly, to me, Ergen reiterated Dish's consistent stance that he believes Dish customers that watch AMC is a small number, and that while AMC does have some heralded programming AMC doesn't want to just negotiate for AMC without forced carriage of the other channels that even AMC acknowledges aren't as in demand. That's not an attack, it's just stating facts as Ergen knows them.



HDNet movies is not part of AMC... I don't think Style is either, but I could be wrong about that. Whomever wrote that article didn't do their fact checking.


Style is a spin-off from E! Entertainment Television, both are owned by Comcast.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:03 PM

I am looking to switch to Dish, but the rest of the family wont agree unless the Walking Dead can be watched.

Will it be on on the Web for free? I dont want to pay $14.95 for a season on Apple TV.


No, you will need to purchase the programs from iTunes or Amazon Prime. And it does not appear that AMC programming will be back on Dish.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:12 PM

You can always give Dish a call and see if they will give you a credit for getting the shows from iTunes. If you are subscribing to a reasonable package like 200 or 250 they might do that to sign you up. Just know what you want when you call.
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