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Dish drops AMC (+WeTV, IFC & Sundance)


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#1726 OFFLINE   Mojo Jojo

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 06:31 AM

Good point. Money talks; nobody walks!

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I was surprised that AMC was on Dish in HD to begin with.

I wish that some agreement would happen allowing AMC HD, We TV HD, IFC HD, and Sundance Channel HD.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 06:32 AM

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#1728 OFFLINE   joyandjerry

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:45 AM

Yeah, heck they could quote Dish's CEO and claim they didn't have that many viewers on Dish anyway so the impact isn't that much. ;)

It is clear this isn't a normal channel carriage dispute: these two owners have made it personal and neither wants to compromise. So the odds are high Dish customers just won't get to watch AMC shows (unless they go elsewhere.)

Leaving the viewers out, and just looking from a company point of view, hard to see it any way except that it hurts AMC more than Dish. At least short term. You never know how many new customers each year will choose DirectTV instead of Dish because they want to be able to get AMC. But in the short term I have to guess this hurts AMC's ad rates ( though we'll probably see those numbers this coming season.)


Great points!! That, IMOSHO, is why AMC is "dissing Dish" (try saying that ten times fast :lol:), as they know they will lose viewers come October.

But Dish also knows in the future they will lose potential customers. I upgraded my receiver a year ago and would pick DTV if I had to do it again today b/c of AMC/IFC. We may switch in the future, but the benefit/PIA of a DVR is that we have a lot on there to watch. In possible anticipation of a switch, we are making an effort to watch DVR'd content. It's good to "clean house" every so often!! :D
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 10:19 AM

All of the dialog here has made me checkout a few programs on AMC that I had never watched. Not sure I am into Breaking Bad. I'll give it a few more episodes. The wife clearly is not into it. I ordered the BluRay of Season 1 of Mad Men from the Dish Blockbuster and we like it. Since it started in 2007 we have a lot of BluRays to go through before we are ready for the 2012 season. Dish did give me a credit to download the HD version for Hell on Wheels from iTunes and I really like that show. With all of the new shows starting this fall, I have way more material to watch than what my schedule allows so whether AMC and Dish reach agreement is not really an issue for me.


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Posted 05 September 2012 - 10:44 AM

Just a quick word on Breaking Bad. For me, the only thing that worked was going to Season 1, Episode 1. A bit doubtful after that, but an ep or two more, I was hooked. I had tried jumping in middle season 3 and it didn't take.

I caught the first three seasons on Netflix.
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 02:08 PM

I have about 18 episodes of BB recorded from their event right before they pulled the plug. I am missing a few but can get them through Blockbuster. It is on the backburner now as I am more into Mad Men and Hell on Wheels.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:53 PM

According to a CBS News story (http://m.cbsnews.com...9&videofeed=999), it is expected for AMC Networks and Dish to reach a settlement before a September 19 trial date. However, I think it is important to remember that anything can happen.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:15 PM

According to a CBS News story (http://m.cbsnews.com...9&videofeed=999), it is expected for AMC Networks and Dish to reach a settlement before a September 19 trial date. However, I think it is important to remember that anything can happen.


That article has several wrong things in it... The most egregious is saying that "Dish has blacked out AMC channels since July"...

Dish has NOT blacked out AMC channels. Dish and AMC did not renew their contract to carry once the contract expired.

There is no blackout. Dish has no contract to carry AMC channels.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:31 PM

I just scanned several other articles on various sites and .....

A ) None of them mention talks or anything close to a carriage deal.

B ) Some of them mention increasing tensions between Dish and CBS over the Hopper suit.

So that fact that the above mentioned article is from CBS makes me wonder about impartiality.
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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:50 PM

That article has several wrong things in it... The most egregious is saying that "Dish has blacked out AMC channels since July"...

Dish has NOT blacked out AMC channels. Dish and AMC did not renew their contract to carry once the contract expired.

There is no blackout. Dish has no contract to carry AMC channels.


I'd go a bit further and say AMC pulled the channels. AMC could have kept them on during negotiations, so it was they who blacked them out.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:03 AM

I also think AMC is being disingenuous when their ads state DISH viewers are paying for AMC but not getting it.

Au contraire; we're not getting DISH because we don't want to pay higher rates that would ensue due to the confiscatory retransmit rates AMC demands.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

I also think AMC is being disingenuous when their ads state DISH viewers are paying for AMC but not getting it.


They are referring to the fact Dish did not drop rates. That ignores three things. Free Roku's and discounts being given. And Dish does not raise rates either each time a new channel is added.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:37 AM

Every night driving home from work I hear the Comcast add touting that they have those channels and that Dish dropped them.

And I think to myself so what, I didn't watch them except once in a blue moon. Shame for those that did watch them.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:33 PM

The Dish/VOOM trial started today. http://www.businessw...mad-men-to-dish Maybe we'll get AMC back eventually! AMC does not want to lose viewers.

Also, I read that CBS is threatening to drop Dish b/c of the Hopper. That would be the final nail in the coffin for us, as we watch many CBS procedurals.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 01:01 PM

Off-topic, but CBS can't threaten to drop Dish exactly... I mean, CBS doesn't own and operate ALL of even a majority of the CBS affiliates out there... so they don't have a say in that.

IF CBS attaches other channels it does own to the OTA dispute, then they will look bad for doing so in customer's eyes since customers frankly want the commercial skipping feature.

So... CBS' best chance is in court, IF they can win an injunction there... but CBS will never win in the court of public opinion.

Even people like me that see their beef about the AutoHop feature wouldn't support CBS taking the ball and going home over it.

Meanwhile, back to topic... it will be interesting to see IF the Voom lawsuit proceedings have any effect on getting AMC back.

The funny thing is AMC's actions in many ways support what Dish said about how Rainbow (the former AMC operation name) ran Voom... asking for money but not spending it on the programming they say... so in some ways the recent AMC dispute hurts the Voom suit more than Dish's behavior I think.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:29 PM

CBS is available OTA in most large areas. Only change for me might be to order the dual OTA tuner for my 722K. My 722 already has OTA. I can see where it might bother the Hopper people since there is currently no OTA module. Who knows, Dish is pretty creative. They might even speed up the development and give the OTA modules away free or at low cost.
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:33 PM

CBS is available OTA in most large areas. Only change for me might be to order the dual OTA tuner for my 722K. My 722 already has OTA. I can see where it might bother the Hopper people since there is currently no OTA module. Who knows, Dish is pretty creative. They might even speed up the development and give the OTA modules away free or at low cost.


Keep in mind, though, IF CBS pulls its owned channels... then that means the EPG data is gone too... so you would have to set manual timers, and some Dish receivers do not have that feature any longer.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:24 PM

Keep in mind, though, IF CBS pulls its owned channels... then that means the EPG data is gone too... so you would have to set manual timers, and some Dish receivers do not have that feature any longer.


Just curious, why would all CBS EPG data not be available?

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:46 PM

I know this isn't a option for everyone, but I have 29$ R sh*ck antenna in my attic that pulls in the big 4 and others, about 10 channels in all.

Always good to have as a back up, especially if you lose signal, so if cbs drops dish, no sweat.:P

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:30 PM

Just curious, why would all CBS EPG data not be available?


Dish only uplinks the EPG data for channels they carry OR for some sub-channels in some markets.

Whenever Dish has dropped a local channel from satellite delivery, the OTA EPG has also reverted to "No Information" as well.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

In light of the way that Dish has handled the AMC situation and tried to keep customers happy, it wouldn't surprise me if they continued to upload the EPG data.

On another note, we just finished watching the last disc of Season 1 of Mad Men and have Season 2 on our BB Queue. One could always hope that by the time we get caught up that AMC might be back on Dish. Not a hill to die on but it would be nice.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:32 PM

Interesting to see the Drama Emmy Nominees for 2012 and AMC is very well represented.

DRAMA SERIES
"Boardwalk Empire" (HBO)
"Breaking Bad" (AMC)
"Downton Abbey" (PBS)
"Game of Thrones" (HBO)
"Homeland" (Showtime)
"Mad Men" (AMC)

DRAMA ACTOR
Steve Buscemi as Nucky Thompson in "Boardwalk Empire"
Bryan Cranston as Walter White in "Breaking Bad"
Michael C. Hall as Dexter Morgan in "Dexter"
Hugh Bonneville as Robert, Earl of Grantham in "Downton Abbey"
Damian Lewis as Nicholas Brody in "Homeland"
Jon Hamm as Don Draper in "Mad Men"

SUPPORTING DRAMA ACTOR

Aaron Paul as Jesse Pinkman in "Breaking Bad"
Giancarlo Esposito as Gustavo 'Gus' Fring in "Breaking Bad"
Brendan Coyle as John Bates in "Downton Abbey"
Jim Carter as Mr. Carson in "Downton Abbey"
Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister in "Game of Thrones"
Jared Harris as Lane Pryce "Mad Men"

SUPPORTING DRAMA ACTRESS
Anna Gunn as Skyler White in "Breaking Bad"
Maggie Smith as Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham in "Downton Abbey"
Joanne Froggatt as Anna in "Downton Abbey"
Archie Panjabi as Kalinda Sharma in "The Good Wife"
Christine Baranski as Diane Lockhart in "The Good Wife"
Christina Hendricks as Joan Holloway Harris in "Mad Men"
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:07 PM

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 02:59 AM

Emmys and Oscars are designed for actors and the like to pat each other on the back.


Not only that... but of the two shows on AMC garnering those nominations... Breaking Bad is in its final season and Mad Men has almost been canceled once already due to dispute with the showrunners over cost.. so don't hold your breath thinking Mad Men will be around much longer.

AMC wants to lock providers into a 3-5 year contract most likely (a guess on my part based on other channel deals we have read about recently)... by which time you could find yourself locked into paying for AMC and none of those award winning shows are on the air to justify that higher contract.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:05 PM

Not only that... but of the two shows on AMC garnering those nominations... Breaking Bad is in its final season and Mad Men has almost been canceled once already due to dispute with the showrunners over cost.. so don't hold your breath thinking Mad Men will be around much longer.


I believe that it was determined that Mad Men would run a maximum of seven seasons,
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