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DIRECTV Nomad Software: Spring 2012 Issues/Discussion


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#161 OFFLINE   Lord Vader

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:15 PM

I don't yet have Nomad, but I'm wondering about what this thing can do. I've got a couple old HR20-700s that have some important recordings. When those receivers go, the recordings will die with them. So, I was wondering if Nomad would allow me to download the recordings I wish to save, then if I'd be able to burn these recordings to a DVD to keep indefinitely.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:23 PM

I don't yet have Nomad, but I'm wondering about what this thing can do. I've got a couple old HR20-700s that have some important recordings. When those receivers go, the recordings will die with them. So, I was wondering if Nomad would allow me to download the recordings I wish to save, then if I'd be able to burn these recordings to a DVD to keep indefinitely.


I believe it only stores the recording 30 days.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:24 PM

Hmmm. So would it let me download to my PC then burn that download to a DVD for indefinite keeping?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 02:39 PM

Hmmm. So would it let me download to my PC then burn that download to a DVD for indefinite keeping?

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 05:12 PM

OK, thanks. So I guess forget Nomad and try that.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 06:27 AM

While this native iPhone app will run on the iPad it's just ridiculous how blocky the video is when viewing at 2x. Whether DIRECTV ever delivers on an iPad app or not they need in my opinion to offer a quality option when preparing a program. Seriously. It's not rocket science. I select a program to prepare. I'm prompted to choose the quality I want, "medium" or "high". If a given program takes twice the space so be it. At least give us the option.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:29 PM

While this native iPhone app will run on the iPad it's just ridiculous how blocky the video is when viewing at 2x. Whether DIRECTV ever delivers on an iPad app or not they need in my opinion to offer a quality option when preparing a program. Seriously. It's not rocket science. I select a program to prepare. I'm prompted to choose the quality I want, "medium" or "high". If a given program takes twice the space so be it. At least give us the option.


Interesting, as your the first person I have seen complain about the video quality n an ipad. And you should not even need to Zoom to get the video to fill an iPad. Which iPad do you have?

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:55 AM

The video on the iPad from nomad is as good or better than any other dvd copies or streaming like HBO-GO, ESPN, CNN, or Netflix.

Perhaps it transcoded a poorly recorded program?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:28 AM

The video on the iPad from nomad is as good or better than any other dvd copies or streaming like HBO-GO, ESPN, CNN, or Netflix.

Perhaps it transcoded a poorly recorded program?

You've got to be kidding right? I've had the Nomad since launch day and no recording I've downloaded from my Nomad has even come close to approaching the quality you describe when viewed on my iPad at 2x. It's also never been an issue of a poorly recorded program. It's not exactly hard to play the same program still on my DIRECTV HD DVR to confirm if there's an issue with the recording. Also, I stopped watching SD content years ago and that even includes SD content carried on HD channels. That being said, I'm still glad I purchased the Nomad and still recommend it for what it does. I use the Nomad to ingest content on-the-go that otherwise I would only be able to enjoy at home. It does this well, but I've never considered it a quality viewing experience on the iPad at 2x or on the PC for that matter which is even worse. Perhaps I'm the only one, but to me the Nomad was clearly only intended for viewing on the iPhone due to the small size of the screen. Seriously. Why would anyone not welcome what I suggested in my earlier reply? You select a program to prepare. You're then given the option to transcode the program at the current quality (medium) or to transcode the program at twice the quality (high) which would be far more suitable for viewing on larger displays such as the iPad at 2x or on the PC. Having such an option only enhances the product. So instead of offering up opinions on my idea I get replies that completely ignore the premise, because the Nomad already does such a great job. I just don't get it.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:38 AM

You've got to be kidding right? I've had the Nomad since launch day and no recording I've downloaded from my Nomad has even come close to approaching the quality you describe when viewed on my iPad at 2x.

Having seen hundreds of nomad transcoded recordings played back on multiple mobile devices, I'd respectfully have to disagree with you and instead agree with dennis00 on that issue. It's even better quality playback on an HD-screen resolution device like the newer iPad.

I'd anticipate that the "Fall 2012" update will reflect improvements on several fronts, so perhaps things will improve for you as well.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:34 AM

While I agree that the quality of the Nomad transcoded items aren't as good as stuff like movies and shows downloaded directly from the iTunes store or movies you transcode yourself, I do think that it is pretty close in quality to the streamed stuff like HBO-GO, etc. This isn't a big suprise though either. It's all about the encoding time. People are already complaining about the amount of time it takes to get a recording onto the Nomad, if they were to increase the quality that time is just going to have to go up as they would do more passes etc.

I have to say though, I don't think we will ever get HD versions, I think 850x480, or whatever SD resolution they are using is probably the highest we are ever going to get. The channel providers, movie studios, etc. don't want you to be able to get a high quality copy of their stuff for free. They want you to go out and buy it, or at the very least rent it. I mean even the free digital copies that come with Blu-Rays are almost always just a standard def version of the movie only recently have a couple movies come with an HD Digital Copy (Hunger Games I believe was one).

Having seen hundreds of nomad transcoded recordings played back on multiple mobile devices, I'd respectfully have to disagree with you and instead agree with dennis00 on that issue. It's even better quality playback on an HD-screen resolution device like the newer iPad.

I'd anticipate that the "Fall 2012" update will reflect improvements on several fronts, so perhaps things will improve for you as well.


I have to disagree with you here. The Nomad transcodings don't look all that great on my 3rd Gen iPad. I am looking at an episode of Alphas right now, and there are definitely issues with pixelization/macroblocking, that are worse than in the original recording I watched on my TV last night. The video quality also isn't nearly as good as the digital copy movies I have on my iPad right now like The Hangover, and A-Team. If I swich the iPad back to 1X mode and watch the video in the small window the pixelization/macroblocking is much less noticeable. Same with watching on my iPhone.

While it is certainly passable, and not something I'm upset about, I wouldn't call it high quality. Fact is if I'm watching something on my iPad or iPhone I'm obviously not all that worried about picture quality, I'm most likely just killing time, or trying to catch up on shows I like, but don't necessarily love. For example I don't mind cathcing up on Alphas, or House Hunters on my iPad, but I'm definitely not going to watch a new episode of Sons of Anarchy, or Homeland on it, those I will wait until I get home and watch on the bigscreen (although I may watch them a second or third time on my iPad, but the first viewing is always going to be on my TV).

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:40 AM

I have to say though, I don't think we will ever get HD versions, I think 850x480, or whatever SD resolution they are using is probably the highest we are ever going to get.

Somebody once taught me never to say never. ;)

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:54 AM

Somebody once taught me never to say never. ;)

Oops...there it was twice right there. :D


Actually, I think you need to check you vision, the word never was not in my post at all.:lol:

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see HD quality versions, but my opinion is it most likely will not happen, at least not in the near future. I don't even really think it's feasible with the current hardware. I mean doesn't the Nomad only have like 16Gb of storage, how many hours of HD would that hold 3 or 4. And I'm not sure what would happen with transcode times. They wouldn't have to change resolution so that might save some time, but I believe they would still have to change the framerate (I belive apple stuff only supports 30fps or is that just the AppleTV?). And they have to add whatever copy protection/expiration date info they are using. So I don't know if they would be able to get away with only 3 or 4 hours able to store on the device at a time, because you would always have to be waiting on stuff to transcode before you could transfer it.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:59 AM

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see HD quality versions, but my opinion is it most likely will not happen, at least not in the near future. I don't even really think it's feasible with the current hardware.

You could be half right anyway.... ;)

Ironically....I use my nomad alot....alot. Especially while traveling for work all over the country.

If I had a nickel for every person who peeked to see what I was watching and then asked how I could see HD video on my tablet...I could retire. The video quality is that good on my 1080p resolution tablet.

The video quality presentation is only as good as the device graphics video resolution on which it is being shown. Some of the older tablets and laptops simply have graphics technology in them that shows its age.

All that said...yes...an HD version would be nice. It would also expand the transcoding process timeframe exponentially. It makes one wonder how many potential users would accept that aspect of moving to HD.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

No. You'll need a product like this: http://www.hauppauge...data_hdpvr.html


I've been thinking of trying out this thing. If I read it correctly, burning an HD recording from my HR20-700 via this device would take up a lot of space on a DVD, correct? I'm guessing that a standard 4.7GB DVD might not be able to fit a recording such as a sporting event. In that case, what's the best choice: a dual layer DVD or a Blu-Ray DVD? If the latter, wouldn't I need a Blu-Ray burner?

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

You've got to be kidding right? I've had the Nomad since launch day and no recording I've downloaded from my Nomad has even come close to approaching the quality you describe when viewed on my iPad at 2x. It's also never been an issue of a poorly recorded program. It's not exactly hard to play the same program still on my DIRECTV HD DVR to confirm if there's an issue with the recording. Also, I stopped watching SD content years ago and that even includes SD content carried on HD channels. That being said, I'm still glad I purchased the Nomad and still recommend it for what it does. I use the Nomad to ingest content on-the-go that otherwise I would only be able to enjoy at home. It does this well, but I've never considered it a quality viewing experience on the iPad at 2x or on the PC for that matter which is even worse. Perhaps I'm the only one, but to me the Nomad was clearly only intended for viewing on the iPhone due to the small size of the screen. Seriously. Why would anyone not welcome what I suggested in my earlier reply? You select a program to prepare. You're then given the option to transcode the program at the current quality (medium) or to transcode the program at twice the quality (high) which would be far more suitable for viewing on larger displays such as the iPad at 2x or on the PC. Having such an option only enhances the product. So instead of offering up opinions on my idea I get replies that completely ignore the premise, because the Nomad already does such a great job. I just don't get it.


No, I'm not kidding at all. I stand by my statement that the PQ on iPads (I've had the original, and now the 2 and 3 versions) is as good or better than any other video source - whether downloaded or streamed.

I've got several movies and concerts that I've either ripped via DVDFab or burned to my DVD recorder - connected via component and then ripped and transferred to the iPad and played in GoodReader or lots streamed via Air Video and nomad beats most or matches either. That includes some 1080p movies converted or streamed via AirVideo.

Industry wide, you're not going to see transferring of HD content from legitimate sources except maybe porn.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

No, I'm not kidding at all. I stand by my statement that the PQ on iPads (I've had the original, and now the 2 and 3 versions) is as good or better than any other video source - whether downloaded or streamed.

I've got several movies and concerts that I've either ripped via DVDFab or burned to my DVD recorder - connected via component and then ripped and transferred to the iPad and played in GoodReader or lots streamed via Air Video and nomad beats most or matches either. That includes some 1080p movies converted or streamed via AirVideo.

Industry wide, you're not going to see transferring of HD content from legitimate sources except maybe porn.


And again, I say you must be seeing something totally different than I am. I too have a 3rd Gen iPad (64GB Verizon LTE model if you care to know). The video quality in the DirecTV Nomad app, and with DriecTV recordings I would probably put on par with stuff from HBO-Go, Max-Go, and and the live streaming channels from DirecTV using WiFi at the various places I have tried it. However it doesn't come close to Digital Copy movies I have transferred from disk, or dowloaded from iTunes, or for that matter DVD movies I have transcoded using CloneDVD Mobile. While it doesn't upset me, I can't agree with your statement that they are equal in quality.

Have you tried a movie downloaded from iTunes, or a Digital Copy that came with a purchased movie? Have you tried different settings in DVDFab? I'm thinking you just haven't seen how good some videos can look on the iPad or else you wouldn't think that the Nomad videos are anywhere near as good.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:11 PM

Yes, 1080p direct download looks great, and I'm not sure what you expect from a 10" screen 18 inches from your eyes.

Back to the original complaint, I've never seen the macro / pixelation in a nomad copy that he described unless it was in the original.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:23 PM

Yes, 1080p direct download looks great, and I'm not sure what you expect from a 10" screen 18 inches from your eyes.

Back to the original complaint, I've never seen the macro / pixelation in a nomad copy that he described unless it was in the original.


So happy for you. What's your point exactly? Doesn't change the fact I do see macro / pixelation in "every" nomad copy no matter what I'm viewing it on. Has nothing to do with the original recording. It's tolerable on my iPhone 4 due to the small size of the screen, but still clearly visible. At 2x on my iPad 3 it's just horrible, even from a few feet away. The issue also has nothing to due with the resolution or the fact I'm viewing the content on a small screen from only a foot or two away. It's how the Nomad is preparing the content. It does a crap job "in my opinion", bottom line. It sacrifices way too much on the quality side in favor of the resulting filesize. I can rip DVD's at 480p with Handbrake to my iPad3/iPhone4 and there's not an ounce of macro / pixelation to be seen. Picture quality is fantastic. In fact, due to the size of the screen I don't even bother with HD video on the iPad. That being said, whether you agree with me or not that doesn't change "my viewing experience" and clearly at least one other forum member here has taken the time to chime in and agree with me. There are also a number of posts on DIRECTV's forums from Nomad users that share my opinion. Also, my original and subsequent replies were far more than just complaints. I went out of my way to make it known that even though I'm not satisified with the video quality on the iPad at 2x or on the PC that I still don't regret purchasing the Nomad and recommend it for what it does, but would simply like to see an option to prepare a given program at a higher quality. If it takes up twice the space and takes longer to prepare so be it. It would be an "option". There's no downside, so long as it's an option. You choose a program to prepare and you're prompted to prepare at "medium" or "high" quality. There would also need to be a quality settings option for programs that are prepared automatically. It's not rocket science. There's also no reason technically why my suggestion could not be implemented. TiVo's version of the Nomad offers this exact functionality and even lets you stream recorded content to mobile devices which is something I'd love to be able to do as using the DIRECTV2PC app is rarely convenient for me. Unfortunately the TiVo Stream doesn't support the DIRECTV TiVo and here at the house DIRECTV is my only option. No one provides service to my home from the street. Live in Amish country. :-(

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:24 AM

Yes the picture quality on the iPad is horrible and it doesn't fill the screen it is both pillarboxed and letterboxed, the iPhone is bareable just a notch under Netflix quality on the iPhone.




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