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HD DVRs, Receivers and R22: 0x05CD/0x45CD Issues/Discussion


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#301 OFFLINE   Scott Kocourek

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:14 PM

Any chance of a photo of the tape placement?


This will get your remote apart for cleaning, just add tape. ;)
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#302 OFFLINE   Thwarter

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

[MOD EDIT]

As an aside, I had a brief talk with my dad and my brother who have Dish. They say the Dish DVRs get bad firmware updates to. Their theory is DTV and Dish are re-writing their DVR code in attempts to circumvent lawsuits from Tivo. So basically they have code that works, but now have to re-do it in a manner that doesn't violate patents or risk big lawsuit fees.

That's pure speculation of course, but would explain some of this 'if it ain't broke why fix it' updates.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:57 PM

Certainly not the case with DirecTV. The fact is, no complex software is bug free. Even in a program called TeX, widely considered one of the most bug free programs ever written, around 400 bugs have been found over about 25 years.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:36 PM

[MOD EDIT]

As an aside, I had a brief talk with my dad and my brother who have Dish. They say the Dish DVRs get bad firmware updates to. Their theory is DTV and Dish are re-writing their DVR code in attempts to circumvent lawsuits from Tivo. So basically they have code that works, but now have to re-do it in a manner that doesn't violate patents or risk big lawsuit fees.

That's pure speculation of course, but would explain some of this 'if it ain't broke why fix it' updates.


Tivo can't really sue DIRECTV. They have a agreement with each other about patents anyway,and add that to the fact that DIRECTV now owns replaytv patents and they also had an agreement with TiVo to basically steer the heck clear of each other and never sue, I don't thinks that's why DIRECTV is messing with their code base. I think they have other motives. Dish,I'd say that maybe a part of their motive, but I doubt it's the majority of it. I thought they now have a license from TiVo as well after their lawsuits, but not sure.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:54 AM

I may be interpreting it totally incorrectly, but according to the Redh website, it looks like neither 0x5cd or 0x5cf are being pushed to the HR24's any longer. The last few days I have checked, 0x059e has been in the stream. And when you look at the most recent versions that have been available for the HR24 (available to the masses or not) neither 0x5cd or 0x5cf shows up. The most recent versions that are showing are 0x05d1, 0x05d2, 0x8571, 0x59e and 0x8003.

Based on this, I might just go ahead and revert my HR24-100 back to 0x059e in order to get rid of the HDMI handshake issue between the HR24 and my Denon receiver. Hopefully the next version pushed out will not have this issue.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:05 AM

I may be interpreting it totally incorrectly, but according to the Redh website, it looks like neither 0x5cd or 0x5cf are being pushed to the HR24's any longer. The last few days I have checked, 0x059e has been in the stream. And when you look at the most recent versions that have been available for the HR24 (available to the masses or not) neither 0x5cd or 0x5cf shows up. The most recent versions that are showing are 0x05d1, 0x05d2, 0x8571, 0x59e and 0x8003.

Based on this, I might just go ahead and revert my HR24-100 back to 0x059e in order to get rid of the HDMI handshake issue between the HR24 and my Denon receiver. Hopefully the next version pushed out will not have this issue.


I was pushed 5d2 last thursday and it is stable with no handshake problems.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:23 AM

May I ask a stupid question? I have only been a professional software developer for 25 years, so maybe I am missing something....

What stunning functionality exists in the firmware that is causing all of the issues that is worth all of the issues it is causing? Why not simply roll back to a working firmware version? I know I'm old fashioned, but the primary reason I have D* is to WATCH TV, and this makes that task nearly impossible.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:19 AM

I was pushed 5d2 last thursday and it is stable with no handshake problems.


Sounds promising then. I hope to get it soon so that I can get rid of the HDMI handshake issue as well.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:37 AM

All 3 of my HR24s are running 0x5CD. The two HR24s that I use directly have remote response issues, and the all too often short video/audio glitches. Overall speed is fine when it doesn't ignore the remote. That said, no matter how much they ignore the D* remote, they always respond just fine when I choose to use the iPad D* app as a remote. That seems very odd to me.

My son reports that his HR24 is turning itself on overnight. He is using the remote in IR mode and tells me that he has the remote on a table beside his bed when he nods off. It has also recorded some things he didn't pick. If he was in RF mode, I would think it is something close by that is causing that, but with IR I wouldn't think that would be the issue.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:26 PM

I'm calling to ask for half-month credits on all my receivers due to only receiving half the service.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

Well I guess the part of my previous post about my decent results with the other version of firmware have been deleted since apparently it was a beta release and could have disastrous results for others. Sorry for posting that if it caused any problems.

Not sure why DTV would allow us to download a version not ready for us, but I didn't see anything anywhere else saying it was a bad idea.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:33 PM

It's been posted many times and I'll do it again.

There is always risk in forcing updates to your receivers. Most folks don't know what they are downloading and it can cause minor to major problems that DIRECTV CSR's may not be able to help you with. When DIRECTV wants you to have a particular version they will push it to you.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:41 PM

If history is any indicator, it isn't uncommon for D* CSRs to not be able to help much with the national releases either! :)

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

[MOD EDIT]

As an aside, I had a brief talk with my dad and my brother who have Dish. They say the Dish DVRs get bad firmware updates to. Their theory is DTV and Dish are re-writing their DVR code in attempts to circumvent lawsuits from Tivo. So basically they have code that works, but now have to re-do it in a manner that doesn't violate patents or risk big lawsuit fees.

That's pure speculation of course, but would explain some of this 'if it ain't broke why fix it' updates.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

Received update 0x5d2 on both HR24's last night. No HDMI handshake or other issues. (Sigh of relief....)

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:12 PM

How about HR34 update?

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:18 PM

How about HR34 update?


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:51 PM

Received update 0x5d2 on both HR24's last night........


Is this replacing 0x5CD? I have not gotten any updates since Feb, 2012. I guess East and South are the last to get the upgrade this time around which is ok by me. Any details on 0x5D2?

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:35 AM

0x05D2 Issues/Discussion Thread here: http://www.dbstalk.c...ad.php?t=206134

Release notes: http://www.dbstalk.c...ewpost&t=206133

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:03 AM

Received update 0x5d2 on both HR24's last night. No HDMI handshake or other issues. (Sigh of relief....)


Me too, but I didn't know it until later yesterday.

Seems to have fixed the remote response and audio/video glitches issues I was having, although it is a bit early to tell for sure.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:12 AM

Received update 0x5d2 on both HR24's last night. No HDMI handshake or other issues. (Sigh of relief....)


I am not familiar with how software updates are prioritized by DTV. Why would my two HR24's, which were running on a previous software version without the HDMI handshake issue, receive the 0x5d2 update prior to my HR21, which still has the flawed 0x5cd version?

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 09:00 AM

5d2 downloaded on the HR-22 and HR-23 yesterday, and got pushed to the HR-24 this morning. Everything now seems to be working normally. The HR-24 was the only one I really had any problems with, but this release appears to have restored all functions. :)
Should anything crop up from here, I will post on the 5d2 thread.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:56 PM

I am not familiar with how software updates are prioritized by DTV. Why would my two HR24's, which were running on a previous software version without the HDMI handshake issue, receive the 0x5d2 update prior to my HR21, which still has the flawed 0x5cd version?


they are rolled out by model and time zone
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

Still same dang issues.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:06 PM

Hey there,

I've got 3 hr22/100s going thru a Yamaha receiver and am getting a ton of video dropouts during recorded shows.

I've restarted etc. . . no change.

they all got 0x5d2 on 6/20.

hitting the resolution button seems to temporarily get rid of the problem.


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