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#26 OFFLINE   jeffdb27

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

I havent tested this thouroughly, but you could set a timer for a show in the time range you want to record and then start up to an hour early and end up to 90 minutes late. I think if the original show isn't on some night, you wouldn't get anything, however (again - untested).

I have confirmed you can set a manual timer on dish.sling.com, but found no way to do it on dishonline.com. They have been saying for a long time that dish.sling.com is going away, but it hasn't yet. I don't know if you need the sling adapter to use this. I do have one. After setting a timer this way, on the receiver in the timer list, it just picked one show to show as the timer name, I don't know what would happen if that show isn't on one night. I set up a seven day timer from 9pm CDT to 2am CDT on Hallmark channel (185). I may report back on what happens, if anyone is interested.

Years ago, the 721 receiver handled this great. If a DVR event had more than one program in it, it would list them all, and you could jump to any of them. I expected better handling of this on the Hopper. I didn't expect manual timers to be removed completely! I've not had any experience with at 922, so was unaware they had already been removed from that receiver.

Edited by jeffdb27, 15 October 2012 - 11:09 PM.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:58 PM

I havent tested this thouroughly, but you could set a timer for a show in the time range you want to record and then start up to an hour early and end up to 90 minutes late. I think if the original show isn't on some night, you wouldn't get anything, however (again - untested).

I have confirmed you can set a manual timer on dish.sling.com, but found no way to do it on dishonline.com. They have been saying for a long time that dish.sling.com is going away, but it hasn't yet. I don't know if you need the sling adapter to use this. I do have one. After setting a timer this way, on the receiver in the timer list, it just picked one show to show as the timer name, I don't know what would happen if that show isn't on one night. I set up a seven day timer from 9pm CDT to 2am CDT on Hallmark channel (185). I may report back on what happens, if anyone is interested.

Years ago, the 721 receiver handled this great. If a DVR event had more than one program in it, it would list them all, and you could jump to any of them. I expected better handling of this on the Hopper. I didn't expect manual timers to be removed completely! I've not had any experience with at 922, so was unaware they had already been removed from that receiver.


Dish online had the manual timer option removed which is why you can't find it and manual timers ill be added to the hopper in the future.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:09 PM

Manual Timers would also be needed for when or if they come out with an over the air tuner (USB OTA TUNER) as often some locals that you get free over the air dont have any guide data that you can record on.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:32 PM

Manual Timers would also be needed for when or if they come out with an over the air tuner (USB OTA TUNER) as often some locals that you get free over the air dont have any guide data that you can record on.


Hopefully they will have some better way to obtain guide information. With my 722k I had a station that had guide info for years, then they changed something and it was gone. Dish blamed the station and the station blamed Dish, so there is still not guide information a year later.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

I posted an issue a bit back about No Info Available in my Daily Schedule. During the troubleshooting with the advanced tech, he asked me to set a manual timer on my Hopper. I asked him how to do that. He checked somewhere, apologized, and said it wasn't out yet but would be in an upcoming release.

Confirmation? Hardly, but maybe.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:49 PM

Somehow I doubt it. They took manual timers away from the 922 a couple of years ago (before it launched)... and pretty much said "nobody uses it" as the reason why...

I would love to have manual timers back... but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:47 PM

I'm leaning toward yes, hopefully with OTA, since it was already unofficially confirmed.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:59 PM

I'm leaning toward yes, hopefully with OTA, since it was already unofficially confirmed.


Again I echo, don't hold your breath. I'm sure OTA is coming.. but very doubtful about manual timers.

People like me with the 922 and OTA have struggled with the lack of manual timers for several years now and deaf ears from Dish on getting those features back.

Since the Hopper firmware seems to be developed off of the 922 firmware... I'll be very surprised to see manual timers come back.

I hope for it, to be sure! But I'm very skeptical. Somebody somewhere at Dish seems to think "nobody wants it" and seems stubborn about sticking to that opinion.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:45 PM

Again I echo, don't hold your breath. I'm sure OTA is coming.. but very doubtful about manual timers.

People like me with the 922 and OTA have struggled with the lack of manual timers for several years now and deaf ears from Dish on getting those features back.

Since the Hopper firmware seems to be developed off of the 922 firmware... I'll be very surprised to see manual timers come back.

I hope for it, to be sure! But I'm very skeptical. Somebody somewhere at Dish seems to think "nobody wants it" and seems stubborn about sticking to that opinion.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:59 PM

It's fine that you're skeptical but someone else at Dish obviously has seen our complaints about the lack of timers and said that they're working on it. I know it's no guarantee but as I said I am leaning toward yes.

Comparing Hopper, Dish's flagship, highly-advertised receiver to Dish's ******* child (the 922) that barely received support as a flagship receiver let alone it's current state with less support than the 722 is IMO not a very fair comparison. Far more people will be using Hopper than ever were using the 922. In 2 years from now I expect Hopper to still be supported and not practically abandoned like the 922 is now compared to when it was released.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:50 AM

It's fine that you're skeptical but someone else at Dish obviously has seen our complaints about the lack of timers and said that they're working on it. I know it's no guarantee but as I said I am leaning toward yes.

Comparing Hopper, Dish's flagship, highly-advertised receiver to Dish's bastard child (the 922) that barely received support as a flagship receiver let alone it's current state with less support than the 722 is IMO not a very fair comparison. Far more people will be using Hopper than ever were using the 922. In 2 years from now I expect Hopper to still be supported and not practically abandoned like the 922 is now compared to when it was released.


I hear what you are saying... I can tell you though that every time I ever ask anything about it, I am given pretty much the same "not many customers use that feature" response as to why it was taken away... and while I surely wish they would change that, and I've pointing out many scenarios where manual timers are more than just a "nice" feature... I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe it is coming back.

You should probably also take the "it is coming soon" or "it is being worked on" with a grain of salt, depending on who told you that... I remember years ago being told that Dish was working on native-pass-through for HD resolutions... and that has yet to happen on any ViP or beyond receiver.

I'm pretty sure there is a list somewhere of all the stuff Dish said "we are working on it" that never happened... I tend to be skeptical and not believe it until I see it if it outside the norm... so I'll be pleasantly surprised if manual timers come back.

I had a little more hope before they started tweaking Dish Online and trying to take away the manual and dish pass timers from there, which had been a workaround on the 922.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:04 AM

Hopper has already had far more proactive software support than even the 722 series. Many of the bugs have been fixed in only 7 months. Several new features have been added in the same timespan. Dish Pass is already on Hopper as "Seek & Record." Dish will soon be adding a "recycle-bin-like" feature to Hopper. I don't think that they'll have much of an issue with adding manual timers back, especially when people have been asking for them back for 2 years. Sure, there is no guarantee, but Dish is really doing things differently with Hopper. Never before has Dish had DIRT, or advertised receivers on television. I see Hopper commercials all the time. I don't think that they're going to leave out functionality that people request. You could make the same argument for OTA, in that "nobody uses it" but again, I'm pretty sure that OTA will be out too, sooner or later. From what I hear, they are waiting on FCC approval. No official confirmation on that, but I'm fairly confident.

Only time will tell us who's gut feeling is correct.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

I discovered another semi-related feature that is gone from the Hopper. On the 622/722 when you were watching a show if you pressed record you were presented with several options. One of which was to record until manually stopped. This is not present on the Hopper. I was watching WSOP Main Event on ESPN last night and it went hours past the allotted time. All it would allow me to do is record the current show then add time to it, which is limited to 90 minutes. I needed more than 90 minutes.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:59 AM

I would just stay tuned.good things coming

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:08 AM

I would just stay tuned.good things coming


absolutely! December 21 is just around the corner.... :D :nono:

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:26 AM

I discovered another semi-related feature that is gone from the Hopper. On the 622/722 when you were watching a show if you pressed record you were presented with several options. One of which was to record until manually stopped. This is not present on the Hopper. I was watching WSOP Main Event on ESPN last night and it went hours past the allotted time. All it would allow me to do is record the current show then add time to it, which is limited to 90 minutes. I needed more than 90 minutes.


BTW, this show ended up going for TWELVE hours. Only ten hours over the scheduled time. I watched most of it later on ESPN3.com

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:39 AM

Manual timers are coming to the hopper and that is certain. That was posted on satellite guys by Vivek so I would say that's a 100 percent reliable source.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

I still say don't hold your breath. If it happens, I welcome it... I pestered them for a while before I gave up... I thought it was a mistake to take manual timers away from the 922... and they seem to be continuing the trend with the Hopper.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

Manual timers are coming to the hopper and that is certain. That was posted on satellite guys by Vivek so I would say that's a 100 percent reliable source.


I agree. Especially now that they added OTA. As it currently stands, OTA channels with no guide data can't be recorded at all.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

I agree. Especially now that they added OTA. As it currently stands, OTA channels with no guide data can't be recorded at all.

Isn't that the way it has been on the 922 since manual timers were removed?

Yes, manual timers would be nice. Being able to edit the names on saved programs would be nice. It seems that the powers that be are not maintaining that functionality while they move on to features other receivers don't have.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

Isn't that the way it has been on the 922 since manual timers were removed?

Yes, manual timers would be nice. Being able to edit the names on saved programs would be nice. It seems that the powers that be are not maintaining that functionality while they move on to features other receivers don't have.


Dish barely supported the 922. Hopper has had far better support. People around here were skeptical that OTA would be released, so anything is possible.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

Dish barely supported the 922. Hopper has had far better support. People around here were skeptical that OTA would be released, so anything is possible.

I had no question that DISH would release OTA for the Hopper, even though it is in a very limited form.
I agree with Stewart that Manual Tuners are more of a long shot.

Perhaps if Vivek is championing the addition of Manual Timers perhaps it will actually happen. But I don't see it happening unless someone is pushing for the addition of the feature (or restoration, considering Manual Timers existed on the 922 and prior receivers).

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

All I can say is: We'll see!

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

I agree. Especially now that they added OTA. As it currently stands, OTA channels with no guide data can't be recorded at all.


This is rediculous. Even without manual timers, I should be able to go to an OTA station that is missing guide info and press record. But you are right, it does nothing.

Someone said this OTA implementation was "limited". I second that!

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:07 PM

Bleeding edge ... but it will get better. "Soon." :lol:




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