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#26 OFFLINE   WebTraveler

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 06:35 AM

http://www.mediapost...sary-but-n.html

"White said DirecTV isn’t sure what it will do with the Pac-12 Network group. “We’re not going to have seven channels -- I can assure you of that,” he said.

Read more: http://www.mediapost...l#ixzz1wjUy0cmL"


My relationship with Directv may be coming to an end. When the direct competitor in the market place - Comcast - does carry the network, that's a problem. Also Directv won't carry CSN - Northwest, which carries the Trail Blazers.

It's more and more likely every day the plug will be pulled soon. I've noticed that many neighbors have returned to Comcast as well. This guy was on my door step yesterday and he had a list of the entire neighborhood and who was paying what. He had some good sign up deals, but I am skeptical on the follow through. But if CEO White is so sure then I guess I need to do what I need to do.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:11 AM

http://www.mediapost...sary-but-n.html

"White said DirecTV isn’t sure what it will do with the Pac-12 Network group. “We’re not going to have seven channels -- I can assure you of that,” he said.

Read more: http://www.mediapost...l#ixzz1wjUy0cmL"

My relationship with Directv may be coming to an end. When the direct competitor in the market place - Comcast - does carry the network, that's a problem. Also Directv won't carry CSN - Northwest, which carries the Trail Blazers.

It's more and more likely every day the plug will be pulled soon. I've noticed that many neighbors have returned to Comcast as well. This guy was on my door step yesterday and he had a list of the entire neighborhood and who was paying what. He had some good sign up deals, but I am skeptical on the follow through. But if CEO White is so sure then I guess I need to do what I need to do.


It's not that DirecTV doesn't want to carry CSN NW, it's that Comcast wants too much for the channel and are basically withholding it as they do in Philly. As to them not carrying the PAC-12 subchannels I don't see a big problem with that. The main network will carry the football games. But go with Comcast if you want of they have what you need.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:42 AM

Is this true? If it is Direct will have to carry Pac 12 network or have a lot of pissed subs including me. At least offer it in a supplemental sports package.


DirecTV needs the Pac 12 network and the Pac 12 needs DirecTV. I can't imagine it not happening. Probably the only hold up right now is how to handle the seven regional channels the Pac 12 has created. They created them with cable in mind, not having a clue how satellite or even Fios work. (Actually, I think the Pac 12 has overreached with their plan and are pretty damned dumb.)

I would see a main version of the Pac 12 network and game only subs (like the BTN) but as the Pac 12 network is trying to do special programming for each channel, there has to be some planning to make it work right.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:25 AM

DirecTV needs the Pac 12 network and the Pac 12 needs DirecTV. I can't imagine it not happening. Probably the only hold up right now is how to handle the seven regional channels the Pac 12 has created. They created them with cable in mind, not having a clue how satellite or even Fios work. (Actually, I think the Pac 12 has overreached with their plan and are pretty damned dumb.)

I would see a main version of the Pac 12 network and game only subs (like the BTN) but as the Pac 12 network is trying to do special programming for each channel, there has to be some planning to make it work right.


maybe they can do a FS / FSN like sub feed setup for the regional channels
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:30 AM

maybe they can do a FS / FSN like sub feed setup for the regional channels


I guess the other option would be to put the Pac-12 regional channels on spot beams for the appropriate regions, but I'm guessing those are pretty full and may not be pointing at the correct larger areas for each region, since they were originally set for city DMAs.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:55 AM

It's not that DirecTV doesn't want to carry CSN NW, it's that Comcast wants too much for the channel and are basically withholding it as they do in Philly. As to them not carrying the PAC-12 subchannels I don't see a big problem with that. The main network will carry the football games. But go with Comcast if you want of they have what you need.


I agree that's what Directv says, but then look around and quite a few of Comcast's sister channels are, in fact, on Directv. So really it comes down to priorities and this isn't one of them.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:58 AM

DirecTV needs the Pac 12 network and the Pac 12 needs DirecTV. I can't imagine it not happening. Probably the only hold up right now is how to handle the seven regional channels the Pac 12 has created. They created them with cable in mind, not having a clue how satellite or even Fios work. (Actually, I think the Pac 12 has overreached with their plan and are pretty damned dumb.)

I would see a main version of the Pac 12 network and game only subs (like the BTN) but as the Pac 12 network is trying to do special programming for each channel, there has to be some planning to make it work right.


Who knows if it is a negotiation ploy or what, but I am getting so sick of these programming disputes all over the place. With the Pac 12 removed from Root Sports Northwest (fka Fox Sports Northwest) it really devalues this channel big time. Yet we will will get it because Directv owns the channel. Root Sports' programming costs go way down because there are no more football games, but do you think we'll see a price reduction because of that? Doubtful.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 02:46 PM

I guess the other option would be to put the Pac-12 regional channels on spot beams for the appropriate regions, but I'm guessing those are pretty full and may not be pointing at the correct larger areas for each region, since they were originally set for city DMAs.


diden't they used to have RSN HD on the spots?

But directv SD slots are pretty full as well.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:17 AM

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Mike White said that they will not have all seven networks. The 350 events that include football and men's basketball are all supposed to be on the national network and simulcast to all 6 regional networks. It would be a major waste of bandwidth to carry the same content seven times. Hopefully we'll see something unique for satellite.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

this would've solved a lot easier if DirecTV threw more money up and GET MORE CAPACITY for those channels but no, they want to cutback, for reasons unknown, the Pac-12 nation will suffer...

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:05 AM

I think you can twist words or somehow write it up that way, but it does come down to priorities. If enough of us walked away then maybe it is a business decision to carry it.

Much of this problem is that Directv owns Root Sports Northwest, a direct competitor. With the Pac 12 football gone Root is losing a LOT of content, and thus lower bills and should lower our rates under this same theory. We all know that won't ever happen.

Really it comes down to this - Directv needs to offer Pac-12 network to remain competitive against Comcast and other cable companies carrying the channel. To live in a west coast city and not have access to the Pac 12 Network is ridiculous. I can't see it happening, but if it does Directv cannot possibly refer to itself as a sports leader.






Those other Comcast RSN's are on D* because the circumstances were different. Some were converted FSN's that were already under contract with precedent set, and none of them outside of of Philly and NW are majority owned by Comcast. In the other markets the pro teams own a stake and their intentions are much different than Comcast's, they want as many viewers as possible.

In Oregon, the Blazers are enraged at what CSNNW is doing, but they gave them 100% ownership of their product for 10 years. So they have nobody to blame but themselves for the horrible business deal. They got blinded by the $$$'s and forgot to read the small print, and didn't understand that Comcast's vision wasn't necessarily what there vision was.

If Comcast had it's way, none of the RSN's would be on satellite in markets where they are a cable provider. Even with the customers they lose in those regions that can't get Comcast, they come out way ahead. What would you rather have: $1 per customer, or $75+ for some overpriced cable package w/ the RSN on your cable service.

I read a WSJ article a couple of years ago that if CSN Philly became available on satellite, they could lose around 400,000 customers to the competition (suddenly those $75+ people buying your service are $1 people buying the competitions service). So they're going to fight to hang onto their monopoly tooth and nail. And because it isn't a true free market, the customers lose. Either they don't get the product, or they have to overpay to get it.



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Posted 05 June 2012 - 03:45 PM

While there will be 350 events on the national network in the first year, there will be another 500 events on the regionals.


They need 7 channels to carry 2-3 events a day?
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:06 PM

It really would be embarrassing for the P12 & D* not to come to an agreement considering D*'s Hdqrs are in El Segundo, CA, about 10 miles from the UCLA campus.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:48 PM

I doubt there would be more than two alternate channels if D* ultimately reaches a deal with the Pac-12, although there may be concern if all 12 schools are playing at the same time. Pardon my lack of knowledge on college sports scheduling.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 04:08 AM

It really would be embarrassing for the P12 & D* not to come to an agreement considering D*'s Hdqrs are in El Segundo, CA, about 10 miles from the UCLA campus.


They're almost equidistant from UCLA and USC if you're driving it -- Google says 13.2 miles to UCLA, 13.4 miles to USC.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 06:42 AM

They need 7 channels to carry 2-3 events a day?


huh? You really haven't followed the Pac 12 Network concept have you? It's MORE than just football. It's all of athletic events at the schools:

From wikipedia, which sums it up well:

"Upon launch, the networks will feature 24-hour a day, 7-day a week coverage of classic-to-current Pac-12 sports, including olympic sports. In addition, the networks plan to produce roughly 850 events a year (350 events on Pac-12's national network and 500 events on Pac-12 regional networks),[2] including 35 football games, 100 men's basketball games, 40 women's basketball games, all spring football games, coaches shows, and news conferences will be featured nationally on the main Pac-12 network. The networks are expected to be launched in HD."


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 06:43 AM

They're almost equidistant from UCLA and USC if you're driving it -- Google says 13.2 miles to UCLA, 13.4 miles to USC.


Good, when some wealthy, well placed Trojan alums seek out the top brass at Directv because their USC team is the game of the week and they can't see it on TV that will be good. All the help we can get is what we need.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:02 AM

huh? You really haven't followed the Pac 12 Network concept have you? It's MORE than just football. It's all of athletic events at the schools:

From wikipedia, which sums it up well:

"Upon launch, the networks will feature 24-hour a day, 7-day a week coverage of classic-to-current Pac-12 sports, including olympic sports. In addition, the networks plan to produce roughly 850 events a year (350 events on Pac-12's national network and 500 events on Pac-12 regional networks),[2] including 35 football games, 100 men's basketball games, 40 women's basketball games, all spring football games, coaches shows, and news conferences will be featured nationally on the main Pac-12 network. The networks are expected to be launched in HD."


By your own description that's still only 2-3 live events a day and a bunch of old reruns of old sporting events. Spread that out over 7 networks and it's mighty thin.

Would you be just as enthusiastic if D* planned to launch 7 versions of the Cooking Channel with similar amounts of new programming?
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:04 PM

Would be great if they showed Pac12 Volleyball, so many of the top talent from Florida end up out west for their college careers

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:54 PM

By your own description that's still only 2-3 live events a day and a bunch of old reruns of old sporting events. Spread that out over 7 networks and it's mighty thin.

Would you be just as enthusiastic if D* planned to launch 7 versions of the Cooking Channel with similar amounts of new programming?


and how many true live sporting events take place on ESPN on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Like any other sports channel you will see the bulk of any content on the weekends and Thursdays and Fridays.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:19 AM

Most of the programming besides football, and maybe basketball, will be lucky to get 5,000 viewers. It's the same with The Longhorn Network, because who really watches college softball or soccer?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 08:42 AM

It really would be embarrassing for the P12 & D* not to come to an agreement considering D*'s Hdqrs are in El Segundo, CA, about 10 miles from the UCLA campus.


Don't hold your breath on D* carrying the regional Pac-12 networks.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:24 AM

Most of the programming besides football, and maybe basketball, will be lucky to get 5,000 viewers. It's the same with The Longhorn Network, because who really watches college softball or soccer?


And people line up to watch Poker om ESPN and Fox sports? Seriously.....

I would agree on soccer, but yuou'd be surprised the following it has.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:09 PM

And people line up to watch Poker om ESPN and Fox sports? Seriously.....

I would agree on soccer, but yuou'd be surprised the following it has.


I'd like to watch the pac12 out here in the midwest, since I'm an Arizona State U. alum. :D

As for poker ratings? The world series of poker, on espn, scored a .5 rating (646,000 viewers).

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:15 PM

I'd like to watch the pac12 out here in the midwest, since I'm an Arizona State U. alum. :D


Cool, ironically I am also an ASU alum:hurah:




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