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#51 OFFLINE   spartanstew

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:46 PM

AALL michigan state events NNOT womens & SPORTS, BASKETBALL


When I set up the above, it also includes all University of Michigan games (which nobody wants to watch). How do I correct that?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

AALL michigan state events NNOT womens & SPORTS, BASKETBALL


When I set up the above, it also includes all University of Michigan games (which nobody wants to watch). How do I correct that?

Try removing the AALL and events. Then it should only match the exact phrase "michigan state". Use the category page to select events, since football is over for now.

So michigan state NNOT womens & SHOW TYPE, EVENTS
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:45 PM

But won't that pick up hockey and baseball and all the other sports that air on the BTN and others?

edit: Yes, just tried that and it picks up hockey and wrestling and everything else.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

Also figured out that my original search wasn't bringing up all UofM games, but only the games when UofM played someone with "State" in their title (i.e. Ohio State, Penn State, etc.). Not sure how to get around that.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

But won't that pick up hockey and baseball and all the other sports that air on the BTN and others?

edit: Yes, just tried that and it picks up hockey and wrestling and everything else.

You're limited to 50 characters, so you can say the following, which should work until baseball starts.

michigan state NNOT womens hockey wrestling & SHOW TYPE, EVENTS
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

Also figured out that my original search wasn't bringing up all UofM games, but only the games when UofM played someone with "State" in their title (i.e. Ohio State, Penn State, etc.). Not sure how to get around that.

Searching for the exact phrase "michigan state" fixes that. Haven't tried it, but search above should work.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

OK. Just discovered an undocumented (AFAIK) feature! Try this search. use the dash key to get cycle through the special characters to get parentheses:

AALL (michigan state) events NNOT womens & SPORTS, BASKETBALL

Works here.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

You're limited to 50 characters, so you can say the following, which should work until baseball starts.

michigan state NNOT womens hockey wrestling & SHOW TYPE, EVENTS


That seems to work, as long as the BTN doesn't air the badminton or bowling championships.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

That seems to work, as long as the BTN doesn't air the badminton or bowling championships.

Try the new one in post #57, with the parentheses.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

OK. Just discovered an undocumented (AFAIK) feature! Try this search. use the dash key to get cycle through the special characters to get parentheses:

AALL (michigan state) events NNOT womens & SPORTS, BASKETBALL

Works here.


Bingo.

I was hoping there was a way to use quotes, and the parentheses seem to do just that.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

Oh very interesting. So we are thinking that by adding the () we are stating that any words inside them must be present and be in that exact order and next to each other. This is an awsome find Steve!

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

Oh very interesting. So we are thinking that by adding the () we are stating that any words inside them must be present and be in that exact order and next to each other.

Ya. Looks like it's just like using quotes in a Google search, e.g. I'm thinking we can also AANY or NNOT an exact phrase with this as well. If I get a chance later today, I'll test that.

Unfortunately, every time you use it, tho, it reduced the 50 character limit by 2. I wonder if they couldn't have used a non-breaking space character instead, to join words that must appear in a certain order?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

Nice Find Steve.

I bet Joe Six Pack will Never ever know that one exists for sure!!! :lol:
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

On the Genie, I'm currently doing TORCHY BLANE CCHANS 254 256 to record the nine old B&W Torchy Blane movies that are being broadcast on Saturday. When you don't use AALL or AANY, multiple words are looked upon as an exact phase.

Please note, when THE is one of the words, as in THE SAINT, the results can vary. I have gotten successful finds, but no placement in the ToDo List.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

On the Genie, I'm currently doing TORCHY BLANE CCHANS 254 256 to record the nine old B&W Torchy Blane movies that are being broadcast on Saturday. When you don't use AALL or AANY, multiple words are looked upon as an exact phase.

Please note, when THE is one of the words, as in THE SAINT, the results can vary. I have gotten successful finds, but no placement in the ToDo List.


Yes but the issue is he needed the exact phrase for Michigan state but he also needs vents in there to somewhere hence why this is an important find.

As for you not getting in the to do list. Did you wait and see if it recorded it? If not then you have incomplete information.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:48 PM

If I want to set up a search for a certain channel do I enter CCHAN or CCHANS, with our without the S?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

If I want to set up a search for a certain channel do I enter CCHAN or CCHANS, with our without the S?

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Always with the 's'...the modifier was changed to CCHANS somewhere along the way about 8 months ago or so.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Always with the 's'...the modifier was changed to CCHANS somewhere along the way about 8 months ago or so.


I just tried it both ways with a search string, and both ways found the same 3 programs, so apparently they left both in, for now anyway. Ill go with the S from now on though.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:22 AM

I just tried it both ways with a search string, and both ways found the same 3 programs, so apparently they left both in, for now anyway. Ill go with the S from now on though.


You never know when the old way will disappear, so sticking to the new way with the s is definitely the way to go.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

I have Old Boolean Search Arguments with the Old CCHAN and they work just fine so maybe that is why Directv Allows the Old CCHAN to work as well as the New Version CCHANS so that customers wouldn't lose out if they had forgot to change their old argument to the new one. :)
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:43 AM

CCHAN does work in current versions of the software but it's expected to go away soon.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:45 AM

CCHAN does work in current versions of the software but it's expected to go away soon.


Well then I had better go Change my CCHAN to CCHANS. :D
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

CCHAN does work in current versions of the software but it's expected to go away soon.

Beats me why they needed to change it and steal another character away from the 50-limit. It's not like CCHAN is a word someone might search for. :scratchin
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

Well, at least we got the 50 character limit back.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

Well, looks like phrases in ()'s don't work after a NNOT. :(

I just searched for AALL ohio live NNOT (ohio state), and I got a bunch of "Ohio State" matches.

AALL ohio live NNOT state womens worked as expected. Only Ohio mens games showed up in matches.

When I tried searching for AALL ohio live NNOT ohio state, which I expected to give me 0 results, I got about 100 matches. Based on the descriptions, none of those matches make any sense. Since terms after NNOT are "AANY'd" by default, that search is asking for all shows with "ohio" and "live" in their description that don't have either the words "ohio" or "state" in the description. The two "ohio's" should have canceled each other out, resulting in 0 matches. The only thing that was correct was the results did not include any Ohio State games. :scratchin
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