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#21 OFFLINE   Shades228

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:55 PM

I've still got the old DirecTV TiVos, SD only, but with larger hard drives installed. I'm looking into the HR-34 and HR-24 to upgrade my system.

From what I've been able to tell talking with people on the 34 and the 24, these DVRs do not have two of the features I use most on my old (and I mean OLD) TiVos--Season Passes and Wish Lists. Season passes allow you to record all shows of a certain name on a specific channel, and allow you to specify if you want first run only, or reruns too, etc, and how many total shows to keep at most. Then if the show changes times, or they broadcast an extra show on a different day, the TiVo still records it. You control priority if there are conflicts through the Season Pass Manager.

Wish Lists allow you to search on Actor, Director, Category, Keyword or Title. It will search across ALL channels. You can have it auto-record these, or use it to find specific shows to watch. For instance, if you follow Boston College hockey, you could put in a wish list with a key word of Boston College and category of hockey, and it would show you all the upcoming shows (and again, you could have it auto record these). These searches are saved once you build them.

So those are 2 things I like a lot about TiVo. I always have plenty of shows to choose from, without doing any sorting through schedules manually to find what I want to record. From what I've been able to tell, these features are not available on standard DVRs (or at least the DirecTV units). I think it has to do with the patents TiVo has, and that have been upheld in court.

I HOPE I'm wrong about this, especially the season pass part, because I really would like to get one of the DirecTV HR-34s. I'd love the 5 tuners and HD capability, but would not like to have to manually look through the guide to find what I want to record.


DIRECTV's DVRs have had series (season passes) since day one. They also have the ability to use boolean searches to do the same thing that a wishlist can do, it does take more effort, and they have had that for years as well. So I'm not sure what or where you're reading your information but it appears to be incorrect.
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#22 OFFLINE   F1Turbo

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:09 PM

DIRECTV's DVRs have had series (season passes) since day one. They also have the ability to use boolean searches to do the same thing that a wishlist can do, it does take more effort, and they have had that for years as well. So I'm not sure what or where you're reading your information but it appears to be incorrect.


That's good to hear that. I talked to a guy at Costco today (their salesman for DirecTV) who called his DirecTV rep, who said that their DVRs do NOT have any season pass or wish list capability. My father also has one, and said that the DVR used to give him a chance when recording a show to add it as a season pass, but no longer does this. I'm going to a friends house tonight, and he has a DirecTV DVR, so I'll get to check it out first hand.

Are you using an HR-24 or HR-34 now, and if so, can you do "season passes"?

Thanks for your help!

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:15 PM

That's good to hear that. I talked to a guy at Costco today (their salesman for DirecTV) who called his DirecTV rep, who said that their DVRs do NOT have any season pass or wish list capability. My father also has one, and said that the DVR used to give him a chance when recording a show to add it as a season pass, but no longer does this. I'm going to a friends house tonight, and he has a DirecTV DVR, so I'll get to check it out first hand.

Are you using an HR-24 or HR-34 now, and if so, can you do "season passes"?

Thanks for your help!


They're getting hung up on specific terminology and not the functions of the receiver. Having to setup manual timers for every show now days would be insane.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 01:20 PM

They're getting hung up on specific terminology and not the functions of the receiver. Having to setup manual timers for every show now days would be insane.


Thanks!! That's exactly what I thought too (having to manually set timers).

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

I will agree, though, that the DirecTV version of wishlists, while more powerful, is a bit of a pain to use - especially when it comes to reviewing previously entered searches. Nevertheless, they can do most everything TiVo wishlists can do, and more.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:17 PM

Basically its like Ford vs Chevy. They both get you where you are going, some just prefer one or the other for various reasons.


I'd say it's more Windows versus Mac... :)

#27 OFFLINE   drumdude

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 02:34 PM

And TiVo is like a Mac!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

And TiVo is like a Mac!


Maybe an OS 9 Mac.

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Why can I get to the "Adult's Only" area faster than I can get to the "ToDo" List?  DirecTV, that is messed up!!!


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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:12 AM

True! I'm still holding out for a newer TiVo OS before I replace all 3 of my Directv DVRs. Still holding out some hope.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:29 AM

I don't hold out hope for a new tivo os I have 2 directv dvrs and one thr22. If the tivo did whole home I would have 3 tivos they are way more responsive than the directv dvr and I think this is the reason tivos don't do whole home. I know some on this forum do not believe directv is holding the tivos back but I think if they didn't their dvr would become a thing of the past.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:36 AM

I have one more thing to add if the had the same software as the tivo premiere minus things like netflix which directv would never allow. The tivos would outsell the directv dvr by a large margin.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:36 AM

I have one more thing to add if the had the same software as the tivo premiere minus things like netflix which directv would never allow. The tivos would outsell the directv dvr by a large margin.


No they wouldn't. Look at cable...Tivo doesn't replace even close to 50% of cable DVRs.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:08 PM

No they wouldn't. Look at cable...Tivo doesn't replace even close to 50% of cable DVRs.


But this is due to cable companies strapping TiVo with cablecard technology which doesn't work. I was one of the unfortunate buyers of that fiasco.

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:15 PM

Drumdude pretty much summed it up cable companies stick tivo with cable cards if they did not things would be different.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:23 PM

cablecards work fine on verizon fios except no indemand,although comcast has added in demand to tivos in boston and the san francisco bay area.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:01 AM

I will agree, though, that the DirecTV version of wishlists, while more powerful, is a bit of a pain to use - especially when it comes to reviewing previously entered searches. Nevertheless, they can do most everything TiVo wishlists can do, and more.


What I still miss from Tivo is the ability to run all wishlists at once; with the HRs, you need to run each saved search one at a time.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:24 PM

But this is due to cable companies strapping TiVo with cablecard technology which doesn't work. I was one of the unfortunate buyers of that fiasco.


It worked for me with Charter. The only difference between what my TiVo couldnt do that theirs could was on demand and I honestly didn't miss that for the past 4 years.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:11 PM

I have a Tivo HD with Lifetime Service that I used on Fios and then Cox. A year ago I went with DirecTV and their HR-24. In February, I added the THR-22 Tivo, and way back, I had a DirecTV Tivo Series II.

DirecTV Tivo (THR-22) Advantages:

#1 - Smooth playback in Fast Forward. This is very important if you want to move through a sporting event more quickly, but still see all the detail as with auto sports or football.

#2 - Immediate Slow Motion. Yes, the HR-24 can do slow motion by holding down a few seconds, but Tivo gives instant slow motion, step-by-step, and return to regular speed immediately.

#3 - Two constant ON 30 minute buffers. Yes HR-24 allows the manual start of a second buffer, but it goes OFF after 90 minutes of inactivity.

#4 - Unlimited Season Passes. The HR-24 limits to 50 and the HR-34 to 100. While 50 sounds like a lot, it really isn't.

#5 - Faster response to operator inputs. The Tivo typically responds within a second or two. This delay is due to DirecTV SWM rather than the 'box'. (on cable Tivos, all responses are virtually instantaneous) However, the HR-24 can hang-up on a channel change or play a recording for 5-10 seconds.

DirecTV Tivo Disadvantages:

#1 - Because the Tivo Peanut remote has buttons and features not supported with the DirecTV remote, the Tivo remote is required (unless you program a remote such as the Harmony). Unfortunately the DirecTV Peanut Tivo does NOT have full code sets programmed into it, especially newer products such as Sound Bars. Therefore, you can't use the Tivo remote to control the sound or mute on some newer A/V equipment.

#2 - Not compatible with any whole house system.

#3 - Does not allow access to outside programming such as Netflix and other sources that the previous Tivo HD cable units did support.

#4 - HDD problems. In 7 months I've gone through two THR-22 units and now on my third. The bad units start recording then pause in the middle of the recording for 20 to 90 seconds, then continue recording. What you see during playback are these 20 to 90 second 'jumps' and the recording is, for example, only 22 minutes long, not 30 minutes. The green bar at the bottom shows only the 22 minutes. When this starts happening, it gets worse very quickly.

The way I 'prove' this happens to the service tech is that I have an HR-24 sitting right beside the THR-22 in my home theater. So I record the same program on both units simultaneously from the same feed line. The HR-24 program looks perfect and the THR-22 stops and starts, along with other strange artifacts.


I know there are a lot advantages and disadvantage, but the ones above are based on my years of experience using various Tivos and DirecTVs and they are the ones that have made a difference for me personally, based on what I watch and features I like.




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