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dish drops AMC, lets hope Directv does the same...


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#26 OFFLINE   Laxguy

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:40 PM

I dropped DirecTV due in part to no AMC HD (which they eventually added), and now I've dropped Dish for the same reason (which they are going to drop out of spite over lawsuits). I regret that they are no longer mostly commercial free. But that simply wasn't a sustainable model. A few years ago I never dreamed I'd go back to cable, but they've far surpassed satellite in terms of basic HD content. I now have not only AMC HD, but also WE HD and IFC HD, neither of which Dish or DirecTV have.

Getting back to the topic, I hope DirecTV keeps AMC (I'm sure they will) and uses it to take customers from Dish.


It sounds like your cable gets more content you want than sat services. Is that an accurate statement? Regardless, cable is widely varied according to location, even with the same provider.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:46 PM

Breaking Bad starts next month. Directv better not drop AMC.


Since they contracted with AMC not long ago, and deals tend to be of the multiyear type, I feel we're pretty safe for this season.

BTW, I hope Dish does not lose subs over this. If they don't, it strengthens the hand of both sat services at the negotiating table.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

Shouldnt this be in the dish section ?

What does this have to do with directv.

Why dont you just post dish quarterly sub report too while your at it.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:58 PM

I used to watch AMC almost every day.. and I can't tell you how many vhs tapes I have made from their programming..


LOL, you can buy DVD's of those same programs for less than $5 or you can probably buy the VHS versions for under $1. It amazes me that people still watch movies on cable channels (other than premiums - and even that's somewhat surprising). And even if you do (shudder), just record them and ff through the commercials, why is that so tough?

I'm sure Directv can't wait to get their hands on your unit.

 
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 04:21 PM

Amc is posting that the Dish Network is going to drop them.. GOOD.. I hope that Directv is the same.. until they go back to their old No Commercial format or commercials only between shows.. They set the standard, no commercials.. and they broke it..

so Dish is going to dump them.. GOOD.. Please D* follow suit ,until they go back to their original format..

because right now, they are worst then watching a movie on WGN.. who can take an hour and a half movie and make it a five hour epic..


I don't care much for AMC either but I don't post and rant about it. There are many who enjoy AMC's original programing and feel differently than we do. If AMC bothers you that much then don't watch it. Better still, take BubblePuppy's advice and delete it from your guide listing.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:05 PM

Shouldnt this be in the dish section ?

What does this have to do with directv.

Why dont you just post dish quarterly sub report too while your at it.

Yea, Exactly, this has nothing to do with anything.:nono:

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:08 PM

Pointless hit and run thread.
Say something controversial and then watch the fallout.

OK well then,
Directv customers have nothing to worry about with AMC, cause we didn't bury Voom evidence and get ourselves sued by AMC.
So there we have it !
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:58 PM

Without a la carte pricing, it'll never happen.

But a la carte pricing has its own issues.

Maybe. . . maybe. . . you could get to a place where the provider "bundles" are a la carte priced, in which case at least the individual consumer could decide for themself if they wanted AMC badly enough to pay for Sundance, etc.

And on that day, the screams of pain from the sports fans will be deafening, because they are certainly being heavily subsidized today.



You'll lose at least half the channels out there in an a la carte model. When it comes down to it, most channels are subsidized if you look at the ratings and the costs. The big channels get the most money and pay for the smaller channels. If the consumer wants a la carte, they'll have a lot less choice which is the ironic part because most people think a la carte = choice. It actually means the exact opposite because a number of channels simply cannot exist in an a la carte format.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

Why does this thread even exist?


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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:29 PM

That's a ridiculously selfish reason for wanting D* to drop AMC...many of us watch the outstanding original programming, and since many of us have DVR's, commercial breaks don't mean much at all. If you will only watch stations with no commercial breaks, how many channels that you get actually have that, besides TCM, and the premium movie channels, which all have commercials between shows/movies. There are many ways to get commercial free movies, dropping AMC seems like a poorly thought out idea.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 06:35 PM

It sounds like your cable gets more content you want than sat services. Is that an accurate statement? Regardless, cable is widely varied according to location, even with the same provider.
Do you live in an Urban area? Do you mind stating where?

Small city on the east coast. My cable company changed to SDV very recently and added over 60 HD channels in the past few months, about 20 of them just a few days ago. So the stars aligned for me. There is only one favorite channel of mine I still have to watch in SD. If I had stayed with Dish, there would be about 10, or 20 if I'd gone back to DirecTV. Granted, their DVR interface hasn't changed in at least 15 years, so I'll really miss the Hopper. But I'll have my Ceton based HTPC running soon and all will be well.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:10 PM

You'll lose at least half the channels out there in an a la carte model. When it comes down to it, most channels are subsidized if you look at the ratings and the costs. The big channels get the most money and pay for the smaller channels. If the consumer wants a la carte, they'll have a lot less choice which is the ironic part because most people think a la carte = choice. It actually means the exact opposite because a number of channels simply cannot exist in an a la carte format.


I too think that "a la carte" isn't the answer that people think it is. But it wouldn't bother me to lose channels. Honestly, there are too many out there. Look at AMC for example. Why do they have both Sundance and IFC? Aren't they both basically the same thing? Why not combine them and their original programming together and eliminate most of the repeats? Same with Military Channel. The programming on that channel could easily be split up among Science and Discovery.

And then you have HGTV/DIY and History/H2. :nono2:

Get rid of the fluff and make the remaining channels worth paying for.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:25 PM

For those happy they can watch AMC original programming on directv while dish takes a stand against insane pricing demands. Who gets to make up for the millions in lost subscriber fees when AMC goes dark on July 1st? How can AMC sustain the current lineup of original programming without that revenue? If I was one that would like to see all those shows continue I would not be happy that Directv is not siding with Dish on this and to see a fair resolution for all interested parties.

Those AMC viewers that think they are immune to what is is really happening here either refuse to understand the economics at play or are foolish enough to think this is only a Dish problem.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:52 PM

To the op, go crawl back into your hole! Close this thread mods really!

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:03 PM

Let's be kind. A thread can be started with any intent, good bad or indifferent, and can turn into an interesting discussion.... or to crap.

It's the how the folks posting to it that determines what it becomes. There are a few who dump on other's choices without thinking, and that tends to others being defensive, yada, yada.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:08 PM

For those happy they can watch AMC original programming on directv while dish takes a stand against insane pricing demands. Who gets to make up for the millions in lost subscriber fees when AMC goes dark on July 1st? How can AMC sustain the current lineup of original programming without that revenue? If I was one that would like to see all those shows continue I would not be happy that Directv is not siding with Dish on this and to see a fair resolution for all interested parties.

Those AMC viewers that think they are immune to what is is really happening here either refuse to understand the economics at play or are foolish enough to think this is only a Dish problem.


What?? I am sure there are subs on both sides of the aisle who understand what's going on.... and those who don't.

But you should consider that even if DIRECTV® wanted to fully side with Dish and make AMC go dark tonight, they could not, both for contractual reasons, as well as collusion that'd grab the attention of the Justice Dept.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:09 PM

the concept for the channel was to play old movies in their original format, uncut and uninterrupted. they stopped the concept. I am NOT saying you can't have commercials.. have them during the breaks.. but don't destroy the movies or the basic concept of the channel. and there is only one way for a channel to get the message. go back to your format.. or get dumped.. Dish is dumping them.. congrats for fighting back.. Fox movie channel should be next..
as for a personal attack.. for what reason? to build yourself up by cutting others down.. thats not a build up.. however it does expose you for what you are..

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:09 PM

Directv would not even think about dropping AMC. The channel btw is NO LONGER "American Movie Classics" it is AMC. This channel means a lot to me and many and the revolt would be swift and hurt Directv if they dropped the channel. Also there is not a contract issue and for that reason this thread should be closed!

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:19 PM

Tell me, that if a movie comes up on Turner, even if you own it, that you don't watch it.. especially if it just sounds , right.. Hey look.. Mr. Roberts is on.. or Mr. Smith goes to Washington.. , Casablanca.. I can't tell you how many Charlie Chan movies I watched on AMC.. I have close to 36 hours of tape of them.. yet if one came on and I was looking for something to watch, I would watch it, IF IT WERE UNCUT.. I watched all the old Universal Horror Movies on AMC.. trust me, Amc was one of my top three channels watched at one point in time. now I have to look to see what number it is.. and with out their original programming, I know that a ton of others agree with me..

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:30 PM

This was how long ago? It is not the same channel anymore, they are no different from other channels rebadging themselves really. What more is to say here.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:57 PM

2002 was the change I think. I remember watching the Hitchcock marathon during the Film Preservation Festival, the first time I saw The Lodger, in 2000 I think.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:01 PM

I too think that "a la carte" isn't the answer that people think it is. But it wouldn't bother me to lose channels. Honestly, there are too many out there. Look at AMC for example. Why do they have both Sundance and IFC? Aren't they both basically the same thing? Why not combine them and their original programming together and eliminate most of the repeats? Same with Military Channel. The programming on that channel could easily be split up among Science and Discovery.

And then you have HGTV/DIY and History/H2. :nono2:

Get rid of the fluff and make the remaining channels worth paying for.


The problem is that for everyone that you don't care about, some people do. There are many channels that fit that bill, including a lot of channels that may be of a special interest for certain people or points of view.

If channels are combined in the way you are asking, then some programming has to go away. Programming that someone enjoys and will be upset. That's the nature of the beast which is why choices will go away.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:08 PM

If I was one that would like to see all those shows continue I would not be happy that Directv is not siding with Dish on this and to see a fair resolution for all interested parties.


D* is under contract to carry AMC and AMC's dispute with DISH does not mean D* can simply break free from their own contract.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:31 PM

D* is under contract to carry AMC and AMC's dispute with DISH does not mean D* can simply break free from their own contract.


Indeed. Even if they weren't, and even if management were inclined to drop AMC as some sort of solidarity show, to put pressure on, etc, there are reasons they wouldn't. Such as Justice Dept, and FCC.... price fixing might be the hue and cry...

.... though I'm not a lawyer, nor play one on TV.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 11:24 PM

The problem is that for everyone that you don't care about, some people do. There are many channels that fit that bill, including a lot of channels that may be of a special interest for certain people or points of view.

If channels are combined in the way you are asking, then some programming has to go away. Programming that someone enjoys and will be upset. That's the nature of the beast which is why choices will go away.


Of course that is what I have a problem with, the stations weren't determined by the consumers, they were decided by the distribution chain. It isn't survival of the fittest, it's decided by big brother. Directv, Dish, Comcast, TWC, etc... created this system and they just let it grow and we pay more and more for every station they add and we really have no say in the stations we receive.




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