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dish drops AMC, lets hope Directv does the same...


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#51 OFFLINE   georule

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 11:37 PM

You'll lose at least half the channels out there in an a la carte model. When it comes down to it, most channels are subsidized if you look at the ratings and the costs. The big channels get the most money and pay for the smaller channels. If the consumer wants a la carte, they'll have a lot less choice which is the ironic part because most people think a la carte = choice. It actually means the exact opposite because a number of channels simply cannot exist in an a la carte format.


Well, I do expect that the concentration of content owners will continue. The model I had in mind was content-owner bundles. Some of the really huge congloms like Disney might even offer multiple bundles.

But then at that point it's really not a la carte pricing anymore either. . . but at least the responsibility for price increases under such a model (Sixto's orginal point I was replying to) would fall on the shoulders of the people actually responsible for it, rather than the cable/sat companies being forced to be the "bad guy" facing the consumer.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 12:04 AM

Actually, if you made me King for a day, I'd force a system that got rid of MFNs and, in fact, negotiations.

Make all the content owners publish, publicly, a price list on Nov 1 that takes effect on Jan 1 for the calendar year, per subscriber, no volume or tier discounts. It is what it is, cable/sat could pay this for it for the next calendar year or not. I would allow the content providers to bundle, or not, as they saw fit, but it is what it is. Any cable/sat willing to pay that price gets it. Anyone who wants to walk away is free to do so. Content owners allowed to lower the published price anytime they want, during the year, by publishing a new list, but only lower, never higher, and everybody gets the lowered price immediately.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:28 AM

Somebody doesn't have a DeeVeeRRRRR!

I haven't watched a commercial except for the Super Bowl for 10 years!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:17 AM

Amc is posting that the Dish Network is going to drop them.. GOOD.. I hope that Directv is the same.. until they go back to their old No Commercial format or commercials only between shows.. They set the standard, no commercials.. and they broke it..

so Dish is going to dump them.. GOOD.. Please D* follow suit ,until they go back to their original format..

because right now, they are worst then watching a movie on WGN.. who can take an hour and a half movie and make it a five hour epic..


Couldn't disagree more. I never watched AMC until Mad Men. And now The Killing, Walking Dead, and other new shows, I am a weekly watcher of AMC. Commercials? That is what the skip button is for.

Now WGN and suggesting AMC is similar? Again, couldn't disagree more. AMC has the above mentioned shows. WGN? Reruns and ball games I get with the MLB package. No comparison between the two.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:56 AM

To the op, go crawl back into your hole! Close this thread mods really!


Without the hate, I agree. This is a silly thread. How often would we allow a "I dislike this channel, get rid of it" thread continue?

A QVC or PPV thread would not last a day.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:57 AM

the concept for the channel was to play old movies in their original format, uncut and uninterrupted. they stopped the concept. I am NOT saying you can't have commercials.. have them during the breaks.. but don't destroy the movies or the basic concept of the channel. and there is only one way for a channel to get the message. go back to your format.. or get dumped.. Dish is dumping them.. congrats for fighting back.. Fox movie channel should be next..
as for a personal attack.. for what reason? to build yourself up by cutting others down.. thats not a build up.. however it does expose you for what you are..


They changed that concept in 2002. A&E did the same. FMC changed their format at the begining of this year. We live in a changing world. The dispute between AMC and DISH is over carriage, not content. That is the reason why DISH may be dropping AMC.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:59 AM

I welcome any and all HD channels - even though I don't watch them all.

Somebody does, so what's the problem in having them?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:00 AM

How about DirecTV just cease to offer any HD programming I think that sounds like better TV, because remember their used to be less commercials before HD. You see they are adding more commercials because HD cameras cost more.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:20 AM

How about DirecTV just cease to offer any HD programming I think that sounds like better TV, because remember their used to be less commercials before HD. You see they are adding more commercials because HD cameras cost more.


There's more commercials because by law they are allowed more. They can't just air 25 minutes of commercials an hour because they choose to do so.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:32 AM

Commercial producers pay stations to air their ads which enables stations to pay for programing.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:10 AM

the concept for the channel was to play old movies in their original format, uncut and uninterrupted. they stopped the concept. I am NOT saying you can't have commercials.. have them during the breaks.. but don't destroy the movies or the basic concept of the channel. and there is only one way for a channel to get the message. go back to your format.. or get dumped.. Dish is dumping them.. congrats for fighting back.. Fox movie channel should be next..
as for a personal attack.. for what reason? to build yourself up by cutting others down.. thats not a build up.. however it does expose you for what you are..


They are NOT dumping them for concept or content. It is purely price. You keep making it sound like a moral crusade. It is not. It is pure money.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:12 AM

For those happy they can watch AMC original programming on directv while dish takes a stand against insane pricing demands. Who gets to make up for the millions in lost subscriber fees when AMC goes dark on July 1st? How can AMC sustain the current lineup of original programming without that revenue? If I was one that would like to see all those shows continue I would not be happy that Directv is not siding with Dish on this and to see a fair resolution for all interested parties.

Those AMC viewers that think they are immune to what is is really happening here either refuse to understand the economics at play or are foolish enough to think this is only a Dish problem.


Uh, Directv has a contract. They reached an agreement already. One they thought was fair. And one that will not change tomorrow. So, you want them to break their contract to support Dish? Yeah, that's good business. And honorable.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:15 AM

The problem is that for everyone that you don't care about, some people do. There are many channels that fit that bill, including a lot of channels that may be of a special interest for certain people or points of view.

If channels are combined in the way you are asking, then some programming has to go away. Programming that someone enjoys and will be upset. That's the nature of the beast which is why choices will go away.


You really think that we would lose some programs if channels were combined? Just look at how many times a network has a three hour block of the same show. Instead of one show being shown six times, you would have three shows being shown twice. You'd have less frequency, not less programming. I bet you could easily eliminate 25% of the current channels and not reduce programming.

And in the case of channels like HGTV/DIY and History/H2, they have the exact same programming! Show A is shown new on the original channel and then is in reruns on the sister channel. Show B is on the sister channel new, and then shown in reruns on the original channel. What a waste of time and money for the pay-tv providers and their customers.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:42 AM

Uh, Directv has a contract. They reached an agreement already. One they thought was fair. And one that will not change tomorrow. So, you want them to break their contract to support Dish? Yeah, that's good business. And honorable.


Uh,
So the only way Directv could support Dish is by breaking a contract? Breaking the contract was nowhere in my post and I understand that they obviously have one. Is this contract in perpetuity? Will Directv never have to renew? There are other ways to support Dish in this.

My point is that AMC's original programming is at risk with the millions in profit they stand to lose beginning July 1. They will also lose advertising revenue as the audience for same day viewing is decreased.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:47 AM

Uh,
So the only way Directv could support Dish is by breaking a contract? Breaking the contract was nowhere in my post and I understand that they obviously have one. Is this contract in perpetuity? Will Directv never have to renew? There are other ways to support Dish in this.

My point is that AMC's original programming is at risk with the millions in profit they stand to lose beginning July 1. They will also lose advertising revenue as the audience for same day viewing is decreased.


Sounds like self inflicted wounds to me.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:06 AM

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So the only way Directv could support Dish is by breaking a contract?


At this point, yes. There is nothing DirecTV can do to "support" Dish in its dealings with another business. Name one thing that would not involve breaking the contract that would be legal and would not shoot DirecTV in its own foot (In case you are saying they should lobby for Dish...that is not good business to campaign against a current business partner).
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 09:18 AM

the concept for the channel was to play old movies in their original format, uncut and uninterrupted. they stopped the concept. I am NOT saying you can't have commercials.. have them during the breaks.. but don't destroy the movies or the basic concept of the channel. and there is only one way for a channel to get the message. go back to your format.. or get dumped.. Dish is dumping them.. congrats for fighting back.. Fox movie channel should be next..
as for a personal attack.. for what reason? to build yourself up by cutting others down.. thats not a build up.. however it does expose you for what you are..


You do realize DISH is dumping them because they are asking for more than Charlie wants to pay for the new carriage agreement right? Its not because of their programming format or quality of programming. Charlie will air any channel as long as it doesnt try to price itself out of what Charlie is willing to pay to carry it. I don't even know or care if Charlie is still involved, its just the concept I'm illustrating.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:02 AM

If directv dropped every channel that's changed from it's original programming model, there wouldn't be many channels left. You could say adios to HLN, SyFy, Bravo, E, History, Food Network, Spike, TVguide, and dozens more.


And good riddance to all of them, I would say. If I was D* and a channel turned from its original programming model, I would consider that a breach of contract and then drop the channel. Reality TV needs to die and that is what most of these program changes have been about!
And my wife would specifically like to see AMC die for canceling Rubicon, one of her favorite shows of the last few years.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:06 AM

At this point, yes. There is nothing DirecTV can do to "support" Dish in its dealings with another business. Name one thing that would not involve breaking the contract that would be legal and would not shoot DirecTV in its own foot (In case you are saying they should lobby for Dish...that is not good business to campaign against a current business partner).


Easy,
I can think of several but to keep it simple for you just do nothing for starters. Those that are shortsighted, and are cheering them on for actively pursuing customers, just miss the point completely that this places the power in the content providers hands. Down the road these will be the first subs complaining that they will be switching providers yet again over rediculous price increases demanded by those same content providers.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:14 AM

And good riddance to all of them, I would say. If I was D* and a channel turned from its original programming model, I would consider that a breach of contract and then drop the channel. Reality TV needs to die and that is what most of these program changes have been about!
And my wife would specifically like to see AMC die for canceling Rubicon, one of her favorite shows of the last few years.


I don't think programming is in the contract. Now, if they really changed names (not from AMC standing for something to not, but similar to Fox Reality to Nat Geo Wild etc) then yes. In that case a new contract did have to be signed.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:20 AM

If directv dropped every channel that's changed from it's original programming model, there wouldn't be many channels left. You could say adios to HLN, SyFy, Bravo, E, History, Food Network, Spike, TVguide, and dozens more.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:00 AM

Does AMC still stand for American Movie Classics?
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:16 AM

Nope, it's just AMC. Kind of like TLC no longer stands for The Learning Channel.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:15 PM

The problem is that for everyone that you don't care about, some people do. There are many channels that fit that bill, including a lot of channels that may be of a special interest for certain people or points of view.

If channels are combined in the way you are asking, then some programming has to go away. Programming that someone enjoys and will be upset. That's the nature of the beast which is why choices will go away.


I would argue this has already happened because the channels did it to themselves. I think pretty much every niche channel there was has abandoned its original mission in a bid for more ratings/cheaper realotrash programming. Can anyone name me real niche channels anymore? When BBCA runs a lot of Star Trek, LOGO runs Buffy the Vampire Slayer, History channel is Pawn Stars, Discovery HD became the Car Show channel, even Ovation is running crap now, I would argue there are no niche channels left.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

^Agree, but in order for these shows to be successful someone has to be watching them. They may be crap but then there are millions of people addicted to crap.




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