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#1 OFFLINE   adamson

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:27 PM

Where does someone beyond the 75 mile radius...like 90+ miles fall. Im in the Orlando DMA bordering Tampa DMA and Gainsville DMA by a hair and I mean a hair. My zip code is actually two DMA's. If I remember correctly I was blacked out of a few Tampa Bay home games I attempted to watch. This hinges on renewal for 2012.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:33 PM

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/

That's a good place to check on things however if you were blacked out last year of games you're going to be considered in market.
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#3 OFFLINE   adamson

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 08:36 PM

Shades... I have an open ticket on this. What more do you know about this issue? It makes no sense I was blacked out last year.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 09:12 PM

Shades... I have an open ticket on this. What more do you know about this issue? It makes no sense I was blacked out last year.


It doesn't matter if it makes no sense, Orlando is a secondary market to Tampa Bay. part of Orlando and your DMA signal reaches Tampa Bay. So if a Tampa Bay home game is blackout, you will be blackout period. But you will be require to show all road games too.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 01:47 AM

It doesn't matter if it makes no sense, Orlando is a secondary market to Tampa Bay. part of Orlando and your DMA signal reaches Tampa Bay. So if a Tampa Bay home game is blackout, you will be blackout period. But you will be require to show all road games too.


Part of the signal reaches to within 75 miles of the stadium you mean. That's the rule. Not that it reaches Tampa Bay. Just like Jacksonville with their blackout radius. Orlando and Jacksonville proper you can't even make a case for them being within 75 miles of each other or either market picking up the others signal. However, Orlando's signal penetrates the 75 mile barrier therefore they are blacked out there too.

I know South of Tampa the nearest you can go is Naples/Ft Myers. North, due to signal penetration it is probably when you pick up Jacksonville channels.

That said, I've argued this for years now and will keep doing so until the rule is changed (so, until I die). If for example you live on the Space Coast of Florida, you receive Orlando locals. So, because of this you are blacked out if the Bucs or Jaguars aren't sold out. I think this is fine for the local stations. If they don't sell out, you do black it out to the masses OTA. However, if you are an NFL Sunday Ticket subscriber and they can determine by your zip code which is what they use to determine everything else that you do not live in that 75 mile radius which in my example you wouldn't, then I believe it should be available to SUNDAY TICKET SUBSCRIBERS in those areas.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:20 AM

We are still getting these complaints despite the fact blackout rules really haven't changed much in the past 10 years?

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:21 AM

Where does someone beyond the 75 mile radius...like 90+ miles fall. Im in the Orlando DMA bordering Tampa DMA and Gainsville DMA by a hair and I mean a hair. My zip code is actually two DMA's. If I remember correctly I was blacked out of a few Tampa Bay home games I attempted to watch. This hinges on renewal for 2012.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 11:16 AM

We are still getting these complaints despite the fact blackout rules really haven't changed much in the past 10 years?


Rules haven't, but Buccaneers ticket sales have -- blackouts are now relevant to folks that never worried about them previously.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:06 PM

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:15 PM

We are still getting these complaints despite the fact blackout rules really haven't changed much in the past 10 years?


Well common sense would make anyone question it. Orlando and Tampa are on opposite coasts. You wouldnt think they would be in the same market at all.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:23 PM

Part of the signal reaches to within 75 miles of the stadium you mean. That's the rule. Not that it reaches Tampa Bay. Just like Jacksonville with their blackout radius. Orlando and Jacksonville proper you can't even make a case for them being within 75 miles of each other or either market picking up the others signal. However, Orlando's signal penetrates the 75 mile barrier therefore they are blacked out there too.

I know South of Tampa the nearest you can go is Naples/Ft Myers. North, due to signal penetration it is probably when you pick up Jacksonville channels.

That said, I've argued this for years now and will keep doing so until the rule is changed (so, until I die). If for example you live on the Space Coast of Florida, you receive Orlando locals. So, because of this you are blacked out if the Bucs or Jaguars aren't sold out. I think this is fine for the local stations. If they don't sell out, you do black it out to the masses OTA. However, if you are an NFL Sunday Ticket subscriber and they can determine by your zip code which is what they use to determine everything else that you do not live in that 75 mile radius which in my example you wouldn't, then I believe it should be available to SUNDAY TICKET SUBSCRIBERS in those areas.


Yep, i meant Stadium.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:34 PM

Well common sense would make anyone question it. Orlando and Tampa are on opposite coasts. You wouldnt think they would be in the same market at all.


Exactly my thought...

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:18 PM

Well common sense would make anyone question it. Orlando and Tampa are on opposite coasts. You wouldnt think they would be in the same market at all.


Orlando is not on a coast.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:31 PM

Exactly my thought...


If any part of a TV market is within 75 miles of a stadium, then the entire market is subject to blackout. The distance between Tampa and Orlando is 85 miles.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:57 PM

Yes I have moved from WI to the UP while I was building my last home ever in WI...moved into it, sold it and now I live in Florida. I have always been a semi fan of Tampa Bay. Still very sore over another Giants victory. Yes I am bitter to this day over that knock out. My user name could be changed but I decided to keep it.


Thats OK, I live in Erie, Pa. 90 miles from Buffalo, 90 from Pittsburgh, and about 100 to Cleveland..So who do I follow in football...

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:54 AM

Shades... I have an open ticket on this. What more do you know about this issue? It makes no sense I was blacked out last year.


It can't be managed per address so it's going to based on DMA, Zip, County and if those fall into the range then it's a blackout. So while your physical location might be it doesn't mean that some part of it isn't. No one likes blackouts, and there can be errors, but I can say that they are done with the specific regulations so the least amount of people impacted possible. I have never lived in a market where blackouts were an issue, excluding the Blackhawks, so I've never seen ticket prices during a "must sell" time but you might want to check it out.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:56 AM

Perfect example - I live 90 miles from Ravens Stadium. I'm in the Philly DMA.
I live in Chester County, which is within 75 miles of the stadium at its closest point. Therefore, Ravens games are blacked out here when not sold out.

IIRC, these blackout rules date back to the merger in 1967 - part of the anti-trust agreement that allowed the NFL to merge with the AFL.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:42 PM

Perfect example - I live 90 miles from Ravens Stadium. I'm in the Philly DMA.
I live in Chester County, which is within 75 miles of the stadium at its closest point. Therefore, Ravens games are blacked out here when not sold out.

IIRC, these blackout rules date back to the merger in 1967 - part of the anti-trust agreement that allowed the NFL to merge with the AFL.


Ravens games have been blacked out for attendance reasons?

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:32 PM

Well common sense would make anyone question it. Orlando and Tampa are on opposite coasts. You wouldnt think they would be in the same market at all.


Did they move Orlando to the coast? I nned to know as I'm flying in on Saturday.:grin:

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:34 PM

Thats OK, I live in Erie, Pa. 90 miles from Buffalo, 90 from Pittsburgh, and about 100 to Cleveland..So who do I follow in football...

"The Green Bay Packers" :D

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Well, that's better than Cleveland.:D




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