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#1 OFFLINE   SJ HART

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:56 AM

Have they made any improvements in the energy efficiency of a Hopper vs. 722s? Primarily the hard drive running 24x7 with the whole unit the equivalent of leaving a 60watt light on all the time. SJ

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:43 AM

Did you measure XiP813 power consumption ? Or telling about 722 ?

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:35 PM

Yes, the Hopper uses less energy than the 722. I don't remember exactly how many watts, but when I ran the numbers a few months ago, switching to Hopper from a 722 saved me $1/month on my electric bill. In contrast, my cable DVR uses only 17W in standby.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:09 PM

Have they made any improvements in the energy efficiency of a Hopper vs. 722s? Primarily the hard drive running 24x7 with the whole unit the equivalent of leaving a 60watt light on all the time. SJ


Approximately 50 percent more energy efficient for a four-room installation than previous models

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 05:08 PM

From the Tips & Useful info Sticky (can't post URLs yet).


I wouldn't re-post PR statements, when need real number for the discussion ...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:04 PM

Should I run some numbers?
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:39 PM

If you have KillAwatt gadget and 813 [h2k] ...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:56 PM

I don't have a Kill-a-Watt. But I do have the better Watts Up? :-)

The 813 draws about 43.5 to 44.5 watts. There's no difference in "standby" mode.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:02 PM

I don't have a Kill-a-Watt. But I do have the better Watts Up? :-)

The 813 draws about 43.5 to 44.5 watts. There's no difference in "standby" mode.

Thanks for the measure. Is it measured during recording PTA time ? When all three tuners are active...

Well, 60W vs 44W .. I wouldn't say 50%, it's 27% only, but how we should calculate 4 rooms ? 2x722k vs 1xh2k+3xJ ?

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:20 PM

No, sorry, I don't have PTA running.

There's no difference, as I expected, with 3 tuners all recording (since they are recording all the time anyway). 44W.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:58 PM

If you could add a number for one J ...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:13 PM

The numbers I posted were with exactly one J. running, but I didn't measure. You want the measurement for the J.?
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:44 PM

I'm sure this discussion matters somehow, but I'm really not feeling it.
It's a conscious choice to either use the modern convenience or not. If you use it, enjoy it and pay the bill. If not, then whoppity doo!, you saved a few bucks.... and a tree or something.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

The numbers I posted were with exactly one J. running, but I didn't measure. You want the measurement for the J.?


If you could, J is small and has own power supply and should consume less power ...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

Sorry for the delay, a recording was in progress.

Joey is 8.9 in standby, 9.35 when On.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:39 PM

Thank you for the number too.

Now we could calculate typical set of 1xH and 3xJ as 44W + 3x9W = 71W.
If compare to two 722 120W power consumption, we get 41% of reduction, what are close to claimed 50% ...

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:52 AM

I'm sure this discussion matters somehow, but I'm really not feeling it.
It's a conscious choice to either use the modern convenience or not. If you use it, enjoy it and pay the bill. If not, then whoppity doo!, you saved a few bucks.... and a tree or something.


Energy efficiency matters for quite a few reasons. Anyone who is concerned about environmental damage from power production knows that the greenest solution is not renewable fuels but to use less power. Since most US electricity is made using coal, using less has a direct bearing on environmental damage.

Now, in one house, switching to a Hopper from an older unit may not matter much. But DVRs are actually quite high on the list of devices in your house that use electricity, in part because they run all the time. 44W sounds like nothing, but that's a KW a day. That's 7% of my daily usage.

Is it worth it to me to have a DVR? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I don't want my DVR to be as energy efficient as possible, within reason.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:54 AM

Im sure most people are concerned about the $$$$ it takes to run one of these things.My 722k is really outrageous. As far as electricity generation give me a clean coal plant any day and its not hurting the planet.That is another topic and should not be discussed in this thread.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:52 AM

Energy efficiency matters for quite a few reasons. Anyone who is concerned about environmental damage from power production knows that the greenest solution is not renewable fuels but to use less power. Since most US electricity is made using coal, using less has a direct bearing on environmental damage.

Now, in one house, switching to a Hopper from an older unit may not matter much. But DVRs are actually quite high on the list of devices in your house that use electricity, in part because they run all the time. 44W sounds like nothing, but that's a KW a day. That's 7% of my daily usage.

Is it worth it to me to have a DVR? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I don't want my DVR to be as energy efficient as possible, within reason.


This is a funny thread. Think about your heating/cooling costs, fridge, washer/dryer, hot water heater, etc. A Hopper/Joey installation is a fraction of your power consumption.

Also you need to take into account the power savings of not having your TV on as long since you will be watching less commercials!!
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:02 AM

This is a funny thread. Think about your heating/cooling costs, fridge, washer/dryer, hot water heater, etc. A Hopper/Joey installation is a fraction of your power consumption.

Also you need to take into account the power savings of not having your TV on as long since you will be watching less commercials!!


:lol:

Seriously. There are easier ways to save 10-15 watts. ;)
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:03 AM

I wonder how many watts were used up just talking about it here. :P

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:30 AM

I wouldn't re-post PR statements, when need real number for the discussion ...

Forgive me for trying to help.

This is a funny thread. Think about your heating/cooling costs, fridge, washer/dryer, hot water heater, etc. A Hopper/Joey installation is a fraction of your power consumption.

Also you need to take into account the power savings of not having your TV on as long since you will be watching less commercials!!


The DVR is a double whammy because the heat it generates has to be compensated for by the AC. Might not be a problem up north but plasma TVs and DVR kill us down south.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:40 AM

:lol:

Seriously. There are easier ways to save 10-15 watts. ;)


True, but it depends where you live and what your rates are for electricity. I personally think that the drives should go to standby if not being used or programs not being recorded. Seems they might be able to do this. SJ

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 04:42 AM

Forgive me for trying to help.

The DVR is a double whammy because the heat it generates has to be compensated for by the AC. Might not be a problem up north but plasma TVs and DVR kill us down south.


I consider my plasma tv a heating appliance in the winter months. It's much more entertaining than watching my pellet stove burn or listening to the rumble of the oil furnace.
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

When I had AT&T U-verse their HDD was terribly aggressive when it came to turning off the HDD. It would turn off after only 5 minutes of inactivity. I hated having to wait for it to spin up just because I paused for 5 minutes. I'd much rather a drive that spins 24/7 over that.

Also, technically, running the drive constantly (as long as it's not overheating) is actually better for it than constantly power cycling it. The oil in the drive is always warm and properly lubricating, and there is no thermal expansion/contraction constantly. Back in the old days there was also the issue of head parking (head would literally touch the center of the spindle when drive was not at full speed,) however modern drives have parking bays that eliminate this concern.

I agree with those that say there are better ways to look for power/money savings. I'm sure if Dish could, they would make it consume less power. Also keep in mind that (in most instances) the Hopper is having to power the LNBs to keep the signal. Would you really want to go through "Acquiring Satellite Signal" every time you turn on your TV just to save a few watts? This would also make recording a lot harder to do on a schedule.

Just turn up your AC 1 degree or something. Turn the fridge up 1 setting. Put bags of ice or more frozen foods in the freezer to keep it from having to cycle as often. Fix leaky faucets. Insulate your house. Unplug unused power adapters. Turn off unused lights.




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