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#351 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

DitecTV Olympics mix channel...I thought it would be HD, doesn't seem that way. Also, does anybody know if they will show all Olympics related channels? They still have NBA and ESPN channels in there.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:58 PM

With the aid of a friend's laptop, I have a setup now for watching the Olympics on our TV. Seems to work OK, but I'm not getting surround sound - just regular stereo. Can anyone out there tell me if I should be getting surround sound from the online streams? The laptop is connected to the AVR via optical.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:58 PM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

With the aid of a friend's laptop, I have a setup now for watching the Olympics on our TV. Seems to work OK, but I'm not getting surround sound - just regular stereo. Can anyone out there tell me if I should be getting surround sound from the online streams? The laptop is connected to the AVR via optical.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:17 PM

DitecTV Olympics mix channel...I thought it would be HD, doesn't seem that way. Also, does anybody know if they will show all Olympics related channels? They still have NBA and ESPN channels in there.


There's only speculation/guesses/WAGs right now as to the mix channel. Same for all channels, but fewer are saying they'll leave out anything important.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

I never said that no one was watching. You are taking a very business like approach, im taking a sporting event entertainment approach. I said that everyone knew the results of that race already and I believe this alone ruins the experience for most sports fans. Now, does it ruin it for the average viewer who watches NBC for the sob stories and doesn't care who gets the bronze vs the gold? Probably not. Yes NBC is taking a step further with the online coverage this year and I support that 100% but in 2008 there was no choice but to watch a tape delayed race. The online move is not enough for the quality experience. Guess what is going to happen this year? Not the exact same thing, but similar as far as ratings. Track n Field and Swimming, and west coast fans are going online, because finally they have a choice. Most sob stories fans will be watching those events on prime time. How would I improve the experience?
1. Live Stream opening and closing ceremony
2. Find a way to simulcast live events shown on the east to west coast viewers
3. Show most popular sports (at the very least medal events and finals) live on TV and then summarize in prime time
4. keep the same model of coverage for the least popular sports.
5. Copy BBC streaming media player technology (it's absolutely amazing what they've done with that)
Is that too much to ask?


You said there would be absolutely no sense in watching a recorded event. About 20 million-plus people in 2008 apparently disagree with you. What a terrible experience that must have been that was so awful that they tuned in night after night for 2 weeks (how many other events out there can hold people's attention for that long). NBC execs have already said they expect lower ratings because they don't have that bump from some live coverage like they did in Beijing. Not much they can do about that, but it doesn't mean the primetime model as we know it needs to be put out to pasture. Wasn't true in 2008; still isn't true now.

NBC is a business, not a public utility. I'm not saying what they do is right or what's going to make their consumers the happiest. But for better or worse, if they can exploit your anger into bigger profits with few repercussions, they're going to do it every time. Now if they only care about appeasing their customers and not about money (which isn't going to happen, it's a pipe dream to think it would), then maybe your suggestions would hold some water. But let's go at it 1 by 1...

1. I won't argue with you there, I think it's a major fail on NBC's part not to live stream the ceremonies and I hope they change that for 2014.
2. I assume you mean the events on NBC since the events on NBCSN and MSNBC and CNBC and Bravo and both the soccer and basketball channels are live to both coasts. Again, that's an affiliate issue. If they won't budge, it's not going to happen. Even still, the primetime show is taped anyway. The daytime coverage, that's an issue of the Today Show, so you have somewhat of an argument there.
3. Still no. You have live online streaming of every event. You want it as it happens, that's an option. Primetime cannot be turned into a highlights show. It needs to be full of first run events, even if they're delayed. Everyone does not know all the results and even if they do, I think you're still over-estimating how many people consider it 'ruined.' The Olympics are about more than just the popular sports.. they only need to be shown once and they're better served in primetime when people are in front of their televisions, not in the middle of the afternoon when they're not, especially during the week. And if you think knowing the results ruins the primetime viewing experience, imagine how much it's going to ruin it if people know the results AND all the video they're watching has been shown already. That's not how you draw people in, especially for a 17-night event.
4. In your scenario, you can't do that since you now want to take away coverage of those sports in the afternoon to show events you're already going to have in primetime. Not your best use of hours there.
5. I'm not all that familiar with BBC's streaming, but I've heard it's pretty solid. Yes, NBC could use some improvement on that front, but considering they went from very little streaming in 2010 to everything streamed in 2012, I'll still call that progress.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:31 AM

How would I improve the experience?
1. Live Stream opening and closing ceremony
2. Find a way to simulcast live events shown on the east to west coast viewers
3. Show most popular sports (at the very least medal events and finals) live on TV and then summarize in prime time
4. keep the same model of coverage for the least popular sports.
Is that too much to ask?


All of this can be accomplished but are you willing to pay for it?

1 - NBC could offer this through a PPV channel. Charge something in the way of $50 and you could enjoy the opening & closing ceremonies live without commercials & NBC commentary from the world feed.

2 - NBC could offer west coast affiliates the option of carrying an east coast feed on a digital sub-channel. The channel only be available to those who want to install a OTA antenna and may not be in HD but it's better then nothing.

3 - Why would NBC want to show more popular events live during the day when ad rates are low and people could DVR them and watch them at night rather than tape delay those events at show them in prime time when ad rates are considerably higher?
NBC could offer live coverage via a PPV service but I think memories of 1992 and the major flop of triple-cast still looms in the minds of many of their executives. Triple-cast was described afterwards as the biggest marketing disaster since 'New Coke' :eek2:

4 - I don't think there has a been a olympics yet that a network has not been criticized for their poor coverage of lesser events and those which the USA was not fairing well in.
The biggest issue here is to many events and far to little time and space to show them all in. On Saturday, 8 sports will give out 12 medals and on Saturday, August 11th, you will have 15 sports giving out 32 medals. As much as we all may dislike it, NBC has to pick & choose.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:29 AM

3 - Why would NBC want to show more popular events live during the day when ad rates are low and people could DVR them and watch them at night rather than tape delay those events at show them in prime time when ad rates are considerably higher?
NBC could offer live coverage via a PPV service but I think memories of 1992 and the major flop of triple-cast still looms in the minds of many of their executives. Triple-cast was described afterwards as the biggest marketing disaster since 'New Coke' :eek2:


I wonder though if it was one of those ideas a little before its time. It was over $100 for 3 channels that while yes they were running non stop, there were no DVRs to record what you really want to see if at work or asleep, there were no out if market sports packages if I recall that would desensitize people to it, and the average persons bill with HBO, Cinemax, and Showtime was what? $40? I'm not an olympics person at all. Am interested in nothing, will watch only what my wife forces me to watch, etc. But I think olympics on ppv like they did 20 years ago could work if priced right now.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:59 AM

I just checked the guide and it shows 3D coverage of the opening ceremonies on channel 103 but it isn't showing until Saturday morning -- BOO!!!!!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:11 AM

I just checked the guide and it shows 3D coverage of the opening ceremonies on channel 103 but it isn't showing until Saturday morning -- BOO!!!!!


Of course. We've known for a while now that 3D coverage will be on tape delay until the next day. It will not be live.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:13 AM

I wonder though if it was one of those ideas a little before its time. It was over $100 for 3 channels that while yes they were running non stop, there were no DVRs to record what you really want to see if at work or asleep, there were no out if market sports packages if I recall that would desensitize people to it, and the average persons bill with HBO, Cinemax, and Showtime was what? $40? I'm not an olympics person at all. Am interested in nothing, will watch only what my wife forces me to watch, etc. But I think olympics on ppv like they did 20 years ago could work if priced right now.


That's exactly what the problem was. I think at the time, the theory was why should I pay for something I already get for free? The product was absolutely a great idea, but the marketing of it is what killed it. A lot of folks say it was the best coverage they ever saw of sports like track & field and gymnastics because it was live, in full, and commercial free. Definitely an idea ahead of its time, just not something people should have had to pay top dollar for. The pay-per-view model for sports beyond one off events like wrestling or boxing matches (and how relevant is that sport now) doesn't work anymore. So I don't think we'll see it again for something like the Olympics. Better to drive that type of coverage towards online where NBC doesn't have to charge and hopefully for them can start generating some revenue there.

I just checked the guide and it shows 3D coverage of the opening ceremonies on channel 103 but it isn't showing until Saturday morning -- BOO!!!!!


The 3D coverage from London is following almost exactly the same formula as the HD coverage from Athens. It'll be on tape the next day and packaged together.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:20 AM

I just checked the guide and it shows 3D coverage of the opening ceremonies on channel 103 but it isn't showing until Saturday morning -- BOO!!!!!


Yeah 3D coverage is a day delayed. Not entirely sure why, probably has to do with feed coming from London to the U.S. or something.... as the Sky Sports 3D will do 3D live within England.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:22 AM

That's exactly what the problem was. I think at the time, the theory was why should I pay for something I already get for free? The product was absolutely a great idea, but the marketing of it is what killed it. A lot of folks say it was the best coverage they ever saw of sports like track & field and gymnastics because it was live, in full, and commercial free. Definitely an idea ahead of its time, just not something people should have had to pay top dollar for. The pay-per-view model for sports beyond one off events like wrestling or boxing matches (and how relevant is that sport now) doesn't work anymore. So I don't think we'll see it again for something like the Olympics. Better to drive that type of coverage towards online where NBC doesn't have to charge and hopefully for them can start generating some revenue there.

The 3D coverage from London is following almost exactly the same formula as the HD coverage from Athens. It'll be on tape the next day and packaged together.


Oh I'm not arguing the model now. It may work best. I just think if they did try this again and charge say $99 for the 3 channels it'd get more takers with DVRs that can automatically record what they want (pending the info was loaded in the coverage channels and not "Olympics Triplecast"), people won't bat an eye at $99 for the price since the average persons bill now is around $100 anyway, and seeing prices for sports packages of $250 and $300 each.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:30 AM

Does nbcolympics.com have archives of the events? I realize that the site only claims to stream every event, not archive, but I was just wondering why I can't watch today's archery competition online.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:43 AM

Does nbcolympics.com have archives of the events? I realize that the site only claims to stream every event, not archive, but I was just wondering why I can't watch today's archery competition online.


They do keep archives, I was able to pull up the Brazil vs Egypt game last night after I had seen the first half on TV but had to leave. WHAT a game that was! Egypt's comeback was pretty good.

I don't know how much time after the live event they will post them though. Could be a few hours, I don't know.

I also don't know if they archive ALL sports. I thought they did, so maybe just wait a while longer.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:46 AM

3. Still no. You have live online streaming of every event. You want it as it happens, that's an option. Primetime cannot be turned into a highlights show. It needs to be full of first run events, even if they're delayed. Everyone does not know all the results and even if they do, I think you're still over-estimating how many people consider it 'ruined.' The Olympics are about more than just the popular sports.. they only need to be shown once and they're better served in primetime when people are in front of their televisions, not in the middle of the afternoon when they're not, especially during the week. And if you think knowing the results ruins the primetime viewing experience, imagine how much it's going to ruin it if people know the results AND all the video they're watching has been shown already. That's not how you draw people in, especially for a 17-night event.
4. In your scenario, you can't do that since you now want to take away coverage of those sports in the afternoon to show events you're already going to have in primetime. Not your best use of hours there.
5. I'm not all that familiar with BBC's streaming, but I've heard it's pretty solid. Yes, NBC could use some improvement on that front, but considering they went from very little streaming in 2010 to everything streamed in 2012, I'll still call that progress.


Actually, primetime already feels like a highlights show. The sports that are run in primetime, all of them are filled with side stories and the actual events are reduced to show American athletes (and I do want them to show American athletes) but they cut a majority of the action that is going on with non american athletes. The problem with your argument is that you assume NBC is full of first run events in primetime when they are not. They are full of tape edited, not showing the whole spectrum of the games.

The model that I suggested is a step further to keep everybody happy and still draw viewers. Understand that only a small portion of the Olympic events are finals or medal events, most of the olympic events are actually qualifying rounds. You can fit into the schedule the finals of the most popular events live on TV by dedicating a specialty channel and they can still keep their primetime model on NBC. The only difference here is that you are now given a chance as a sports fan and as an american viewer to watch the most important moments of the Olympic events live on TV.
But you may say, well, this is already been done with the online coverage. But you see, the online coverage does not give you the ultimate experience. The current online coverage is a feed with no commentaries (not that I like some of these commentaries, but you still need someone to run the show, it's like having a party with no DJ). One can also make the argument that the online feed is not as appealing and practical in terms of the HD viewing experience as watching television channel. Although people are capable of turning their computer into a 65 inch HD display in decent quality, there are several things that the end user will need to be ready for in order to accomplish that. So it is not a practical idea when there are millions of fans.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:49 AM

Does nbcolympics.com have archives of the events? I realize that the site only claims to stream every event, not archive, but I was just wondering why I can't watch today's archery competition online.


Today's archery was not televised by ANYONE, which is why it is not archived. Can't blame NBC for this one since there wasn't a world feed produced.

All events will be archived, however events that are being shown in primetime will be streamed live but the archive will not be available for those events until after the primetime broadcast.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:01 AM

Today's archery was not televised by ANYONE, which is why it is not archived. Can't blame NBC for this one since there wasn't a world feed produced.

All events will be archived, however events that are being shown in primetime will be streamed live but the archive will not be available for those events until after the primetime broadcast.


See this video for a little more explanation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19010407

This event was a "seeding" event, basically deciding which athletes will play against which athletes in the actual games. The public was not allowed in, no spectators, no cameras. I didn't know this, and as you can see from the video, neither did a good many people who just decided to show up. :D
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:23 AM

Can someone please list or link to a list of the channels and channel numbers that will have Olympic events for DirecTV? I want to set up my Olympics channels list.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:28 AM

Can someone please list or link to a list of the channels and channel numbers that will have Olympic events for DirecTV? I want to set up my Olympics channels list.


The marquee events will be on whatever channel your local NBC is at.

237: Bravo
355: CNBC
356: MSNBC
406-407: Telemundo (Spanish)
603: NBC Sports Network
751: soccer channel
752: basketball channel

Go to http://www.nbcolympi...ngs/index.html# to find out what events are on each particular day.

For example, tomorrow
Bravo shows tennis from 4:00 am until 12:00 noon
CNBC (355) airs Olympics from 12:30pm until 3:30 pm
MSNBC (356) airs Olympics from 4:00 am until 2:00 pm (PDT)
603 will be showing sports from Midnight (PDT) all the way through 5:00 pm (PDT).
Soccer (751) airs from 4:00 am until 5:00 pm
Basketball (752) air from 1:00 amuntil 4 pm

And NBC airs Olympics from 4:00 am through 5:00 pm (PDT), then a prime time show (featuring the first Phelps/Lochte battle) at 7:00 PDT. I have no idea how these times change for you East Coast people.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

The marquee events will be on whatever channel your local NBC is at.

237: Bravo
355: CNBC
356: MSNBC
406-407: Telemundo (Spanish)
603: NBC Sports Network
751: soccer channel
752: basketball channel


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:34 AM

The marquee events will be on whatever channel your local NBC is at.

237: Bravo
355: CNBC
356: MSNBC
406-407: Telemundo (Spanish)
603: NBC Sports Network
751: soccer channel
752: basketball channel


And from some of the movements Sixto has seen, it is very possible that somewhere today, these networks will get a channel remap to the 750s, so they are all grouped together.

They did this in 2008, Sixto spotted some action on all the NBC networks, DirecTV just seems to be dragging their feet re: any announcements. The Soccer/Basketball channels aren't even announced on their website!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:37 AM

The BBC iPlayer will stream the opening ceremonies live in HD in two varieties - with and without commentary.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 11:39 AM

And from some of the movements Sixto has seen, it is very possible that somewhere today, these networks will get a channel remap to the 750s, so they are all grouped together.

They did this in 2008, Sixto spotted some action on all the NBC networks, DirecTV just seems to be dragging their feet re: any announcements. The Soccer/Basketball channels aren't even announced on their website!


Yes, I will be checking 750/1 often later today. I still bet they come through with an HD mix channel, though I'm down to even money from very high odds that they would.
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