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#81 OFFLINE   lparsons21

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

That's a terrible comparison. The iPad is not a direct competitor. The iPad is useless to many business customers. Other than form factor, there is really no comparison.

Put a real processor in the iPad and see how long it lasts.


Then if you don't like that comparison, compare it to a MacBook Air.

But whatever you compare it to, that is pathetic times.

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#82 OFFLINE   hilmar2k

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

Then if you don't like that comparison, compare it to a MacBook Air.

But whatever you compare it to, that is pathetic times.


Find me another tablet running a real processor with a real OS that has a significantly better battery. That means nothing running iOS or Android, and nothing with an Atom, ARM, etc.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

Find me another tablet running a real processor with a real OS that has a significantly better battery. That means nothing running iOS or Android, and nothing with an Atom, ARM, etc.


The SurfacePro is nothing but a laptop with a touch screen, no more, no less.

those battery times are pathetic and are in line with my $350 i3 powered Acer laptop on its very best days of minimal use.

When all the dust settles, the SurfaceRT and Pro will be in the rear view mirror to all these others out there from Apple and android powered stuff.

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#84 OFFLINE   hilmar2k

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

The SurfacePro is nothing but a laptop with a touch screen, no more, no less.

those battery times are pathetic and are in line with my $350 i3 powered Acer laptop on its very best days of minimal use.

When all the dust settles, the SurfaceRT and Pro will be in the rear view mirror to all these others out there from Apple and android powered stuff.


They may be in the rear view mirror, but it will be to other Core iX machines running Windows. The bottom line is that for business, a tablet needs to be running a real OS, and needs a real processor. You just can't have 8-10 hour run-time with that horsepower in a tablet form factor.

Unlike the iPad, the Surface Pro isn't for playing Angry Birds and watching YouTube videos. It's a business machine that does things the iPad can't. The iPad is not the competition.

It's also not a laptop, so that's also a terrible comparison.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

The user that has one seems to like it.

From here on Bleeping Computer http://www.bleepingc...ft-surface-pro/
read post number 2 by killerx525

He is a reliable contributor there.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

They may be in the rear view mirror, but it will be to other Core iX machines running Windows. The bottom line is that for business, a tablet needs to be running a real OS, and needs a real processor. You just can't have 8-10 hour run-time with that horsepower in a tablet form factor.

Unlike the iPad, the Surface Pro isn't for playing Angry Birds and watching YouTube videos. It's a business machine that does things the iPad can't. The iPad is not the competition.

It's also not a laptop, so that's also a terrible comparison.


You may be right about business and the Core iX machines though history shows that hasn't been the case at all. Touch machines with pathetic battery life were tried and rejected many years ago. We'll see if they get traction this time.

And yes, businesses can and do use the iOS devices for many business uses.

Now let's come back to that form factor. Compare the 11" MacBook Air to the Surface with keyboard (the only practical way in most business use cases). Pricewise they are at the same point. And yes, the Air at the moment lacks touch, but frankly touch doesn't have that big an impact on battery life. Yet the Air gets much better battery life out of their config.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

You may be right about business and the Core iX machines though history shows that hasn't been the case at all. Touch machines with pathetic battery life were tried and rejected many years ago. We'll see if they get traction this time.

And yes, businesses can and do use the iOS devices for many business uses.

Now let's come back to that form factor. Compare the 11" MacBook Air to the Surface with keyboard (the only practical way in most business use cases). Pricewise they are at the same point. And yes, the Air at the moment lacks touch, but frankly touch doesn't have that big an impact on battery life. Yet the Air gets much better battery life out of their config.


The MacBook Air is 55% larger and 20% heavier. Of course it can have better battery life.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Folks over at LiveScience.com did a battery life test on the Surface Pro and came up with a result of 4 hours and 37 minutes, compared to an Ipad's 12 hours and 22 minutes.
Not very good results for a tablet.
http://news.yahoo.co...-162947696.html


Have never seen 12 hours of battery life on the ipads we are replacing with the surfaces, under continious use we see about 4 maybe 5 hours in the clinics, hell the one I use mainly as a kindle gets about 6 - 7 hours of use before it is down to 5 percent charge left - and yes it is a brand new ipad - the 4th generation

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

That gets done here from time to time on my Android tablet.

I'm sure Surface supports it too.


Gets done on the ipad through Office 365 here, for native work with powerpoint will stick with a windows based system, it just works better

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

A Windows device. Meh...

I'll give it a year to see how they perform, both in use and sales. I've begun to see Microsoft in the same light as Blackberry/RIM: A day late and a dollar short.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

A Windows device. Meh...

I'll give it a year to see how they perform, both in use and sales. I've begun to see Microsoft in the same light as Blackberry/RIM: A day late and a dollar short.


Maybe, but the only platform that is useful in any way for me for work. I am sure I am by no means alone in that. The program I use for work daily is Windows only.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

Have never seen 12 hours of battery life on the ipads we are replacing with the surfaces, under continious use we see about 4 maybe 5 hours in the clinics, hell the one I use mainly as a kindle gets about 6 - 7 hours of use before it is down to 5 percent charge left - and yes it is a brand new ipad - the 4th generation


I get about 10 hours on my iPad under continuous use and it is the original iPad. That said, some apps seem to eat battery time heavier than others which would explain the differing times people see.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Gets done on the ipad through Office 365 here, for native work with powerpoint will stick with a windows based system, it just works better


Creating or heavily editing a Powerpoint presentation is certainly better done and easier on a more conventional setup of keyboard/mouse. Touch is of no real value for that and certainly not on a very small screen.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

Maybe, but the only platform that is useful in any way for me for work. I am sure I am by no means alone in that. The program I use for work daily is Windows only.


What program is that?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

What program is that?


Encompass, a mortgage origination program. A lot of the website I need for work are even IE only. Annoying.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

get 6hrs on my netbook.. atom dual,ion graphics,win7x64.. nice little machine..

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

Encompass, a mortgage origination program. A lot of the website I need for work are even IE only. Annoying.


FYI - I happened across their Facebook page of all places. Someone asked about a Mac version. They have no plans for one, but said the next big launch will be web-based rather than OS. That was posted in November of 2012.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

Well i'm still waiting for Best Buy to restock their supply of the 128GB :( , So untill then the ipad lives for another week. I'm sure the reason (IMHO) of the shortage was MS didn't supply enough to retailers for the launch. So hopefully i can get it by this weekend
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

According to iFixit the Surface Pro in nearly unrepairable, so I would get an extended warranty if you just have to have one. I make that same recommendation for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro with Retina Display, which also are not very repairable though a bit better than the surface from what I've read.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

According to iFixit the Surface Pro in nearly unrepairable, so I would get an extended warranty if you just have to have one. I make that same recommendation for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro with Retina Display, which also are not very repairable though a bit better than the surface from what I've read.


I saw that breakdown of the Surface Pro, i have considered the warranty on it but haven't decided yet
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