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Report says DirecTV has "no interest" in WWE Network


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#126 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

Hey, wait... I thought you said it was unknown? Now you say "he knows". So it is known? :grin:


Seems to be a bit beneath your position. :rolleyes:
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

http://tinyurl.com/bc4xmkm


Sorry, a link to searching google is not providing proof. A comment was made that information was posted, I can't find such, an apparently none was actually posted.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

Seems to be a bit beneath your position. :rolleyes:


Not if some humor might be found. :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:43 PM

Sorry, a link to searching google is not providing proof. A comment was made that information was posted, I can't find such, an apparently none was actually posted.

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Then you didn't check the link.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Google Dave Meltzer. The man is the guru of all things pro wrestling and MMA. As for links, all his stuff is behind a pay wall, which I would not violate. However, he has been covering the stop/start progress of the WWE Network since its inception, and Hoosier205's assertions mirror what Meltzer has reported.


Sorry, I'm not making the assertions. Thems that assert need to provide the evidence when asked, politely.

Now, I do understand that things are behind paywalls. And I very much appreciate that you are respecting that. Thank you.

Now my point is the "any" clause. I'm sure there weren't enough to make a launch, but do we know there were zero, nada, zip, none distributors making an agreement. Even a handshake agreement? Sure it is possibly true.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

Then you didn't check the link.


How is that "known"? :D

I checked. It came back with a google search, not a link to a source. Useless as proof.

Thems that make the assertions need to actually do their own homework.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Sorry, I'm not making the assertions. Thems that assert need to provide the evidence when asked, politely.

Now, I do understand that things are behind paywalls. And I very much appreciate that you are respecting that. Thank you.

Now my point is the "any" clause. I'm sure there weren't enough to make a launch, but do we know there were zero, nada, zip, none distributors making an agreement. Even a handshake agreement? Sure it is possibly true.

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Are you still seriously going down this road? As a Moderator, do you have absolutely nothing better to do than dwell on the implications of the use of the word "any?"

Subscribe to Meltzer's site. Do a back issue search. You'll see that no agreements were reached with ANY distributors.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Folks, this thread is not a private conversation between two parties, it is an open discussion between all forum members about WWE.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

Thanks, Stuart. We've moved to PM.

Thanks, TJNASH, for your supporting information. I have another question which will be in another post in a second.

Thanks, Hoosier205, for being a passionate DBStalker.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

As with anything, it depends on the business model they choose. My recollection is that initially, the concept was an advertiser supported, general interest type network (heavy on the wrestling, and with original programming featuring the wrestlers.) This idea gained zero traction, and the "launch" date (never set in stone) of the day after Wrestlemania 28 was tabled.

Now we are hearing rumblings of a subscription based service which would include most of the monthly PPV's. If that is the case, it's all about the price point. I do know that the WWE OnDemand service never made them any money, but that was more nostalgia based. As to what the impact is of essentially giving away PPV cannibalizes the core WWE business, that is up to a wiser analyst than I to determine.

However, looking at the lack of success Vince McMahon has had outside of his wheelhouse (XFL, Movies,) entering into the network TV business could be a huge mistake. Or he could hit another home run, as he seems to do every 15 years or so.

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

As with anything, it depends on the business model they choose. My recollection is that initially, the concept was an advertiser supported, general interest type network (heavy on the wrestling, and with original programming featuring the wrestlers.) This idea gained zero traction, and the "launch" date (never set in stone) of the day after Wrestlemania 28 was tabled.

Now we are hearing rumblings of a subscription based service which would include most of the monthly PPV's. If that is the case, it's all about the price point. I do know that the WWE OnDemand service never made them any money, but that was more nostalgia based. As to what the impact is of essentially giving away PPV cannibalizes the core WWE business, that is up to a wiser analyst than I to determine.

However, looking at the lack of success Vince McMahon has had outside of his wheelhouse (XFL, Movies,) entering into the network TV business could be a huge mistake. Or he could hit another home run, as he seems to do every 15 years or so.

Am I right in guessing that WWE might be hoping to get more people who are able/willing to pay, say for example, $15/month than are able/willing to pay $50/event? That seems to be the point and certainly is a good business model to consider.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

Peace,
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IMO, the network would be successful if it's 10-15 dollars a month because they plan to include all but 2 PPV events with the subscription. If they can get Monday Night Raw from the USA network, that'd really drive up demand because their ratings are often near or at #1 for cable stations that night.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

Monday Night Raw is still the highest rated programs on cable on nights without MNF competition (or a week late season Jets game) and SmackDown is usually the highest rated show on Syfy.

But a full network is questionable. The real issue is will people come for their secondary shows since for the forseeable future their primary shows will remain on USA and Syfy. (Along with what will they air on the network while these shows are on) Along with the value for the channel alone compared to just paying for the PPVs you care about individually. Similar to Showtime where your subscription gets you their PPV Boxing and MMA events. Will the cable providers agree to something like $10 a month for all but 2 PPVs which are usually in the $40-$50 range since the providers usually get a 50% cut of the PPV buys from their subscribers.

When they moved back to USA in 2005, they couldn't even get their secondary shows like Heat (since replaced by Vintage Collection), Velocity (since replaced by ECW which was eventually replaced by NXT) and The WWE Experience picked up and their syndicated highlight shows like Afterburn and Bottom Line left syndication. (All of them are still produced internationally along with a few new shows like This Week in WWE) WGN America dumped the new version of Superstars after a year, and Syfy wouldn't pick up SmackDown, which lost its timeslot on The CW and later My Network TV (where many major affiliates pre-empted it on a regular basis for local sports), without dropping NXT. They put these shows on You Tube and WWE.com for a while, but they recently moved them all to Hulu Plus.

Internationally like on Sky Sports UK, on some days you can't go 2 hours without at least some WWE show airing on one of the 4 Sky Sports channels, and many PPVs also air on Sky Sports 1.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I say if its priced like hbo and them giving all but wrestlemaina free on there it would pay for its self if you only got the other big 3 and then one or two more ppv a year on average using today's pricing for wwe ppv
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

- We noted earlier that DirecTV issued a survey over the weekend to gauge customer interest in the WWE Network. The price points they surveyed fans on were $12.99, $14.99, $16.99, $24.99 and $29.99.

IMHO anything above $16.99 is ridiculous!

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:27 PM

. Every channel costs us one way or another. Even channels that pay for their own carriage have a cost.

OH now you admit that. Figures!:rolleyes:

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

My name is Mike and I'm new on the board. I was searching for some information today about the whole rampant DirectTV/WWE rumors going around and this board popped up. I thought I would join in on the conversation. They have been testing Youtube for quite sometime now and up to 1 million subscribers now. I imagine from what I have read they are making money off Youtube related programming already. Also recently Youtube issued out either a survey or a press release of some kind saying that they will be issuing paid subscriber based channels soon. So my guess is WWE has a few avenues to go with Youtube/DirectTV. It will be interesting if the channel ends up on both of them.

Something else to consider is I think the contract for Smackdown on SyFy is up pretty soon and I think Raw is too. I also hope this whole revolution with the WWE network changes the creative direction they are going in. This PG stuff needs to go. They can't show watered down Attitude era programming on the channel anyway. At least I hope they don't. It would be stupid if they did.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

My name is Mike and I'm new on the board. I was searching for some information today about the whole rampant DirectTV/WWE rumors going around and this board popped up. I thought I would join in on the conversation. They have been testing Youtube for quite sometime now and up to 1 million subscribers now. I imagine from what I have read they are making money off Youtube related programming already. Also recently Youtube issued out either a survey or a press release of some kind saying that they will be issuing paid subscriber based channels soon. So my guess is WWE has a few avenues to go with Youtube/DirectTV. It will be interesting if the channel ends up on both of them.

Something else to consider is I think the contract for Smackdown on SyFy is up pretty soon and I think Raw is too. I also hope this whole revolution with the WWE network changes the creative direction they are going in. This PG stuff needs to go. They can't show watered down Attitude era programming on the channel anyway. At least I hope they don't. It would be stupid if they did.

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Get it off of Syfy and have stargate come back.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:07 PM

Get it off of Syfy and have stargate come back.


Unfortunately Wrestling gets way more ratings than Stargate.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

My name is Mike and I'm new on the board. I was searching for some information today about the whole rampant DirectTV/WWE rumors going around and this board popped up. I thought I would join in on the conversation. They have been testing Youtube for quite sometime now and up to 1 million subscribers now. I imagine from what I have read they are making money off Youtube related programming already. Also recently Youtube issued out either a survey or a press release of some kind saying that they will be issuing paid subscriber based channels soon. So my guess is WWE has a few avenues to go with Youtube/DirectTV. It will be interesting if the channel ends up on both of them.

Something else to consider is I think the contract for Smackdown on SyFy is up pretty soon and I think Raw is too. I also hope this whole revolution with the WWE network changes the creative direction they are going in. This PG stuff needs to go. They can't show watered down Attitude era programming on the channel anyway. At least I hope they don't. It would be stupid if they did.

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As a 42 year wrestling fan, I totally agree with your statement.Look at the quality programming MTV & VH1 show & tell me how that's any different.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:02 AM

I saw on the WWE website that there is going to be a special announcement this Monday at their website, facebook, and YouTube pages at 12 noon Eastern. Vince, Stephanie, Triple H, The Rock, and John Cena will be there. Could this be about the WWE Network?

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

I saw on the WWE website that there is going to be a special announcement this Monday at their website, facebook, and YouTube pages at 12 noon Eastern. Vince, Stephanie, Triple H, The Rock, and John Cena will be there. Could this be about the WWE Network?


What will it be?

UPDATE: PWInsider reports that the announcement will be that of WrestleMania 30's location, which as previously reported will be the Superdome in New Orleans.


ORIGINAL: WWE has announced that a special announcement will be live-streamed on Monday at 12 AM eT. The teaser reads:

"Something big is coming to WWE.com. Log on this Monday at 12 p.m. ET for a special announcement, streamed live on WWE.com, YouTube.com/WWE and Facebook.com/WWE.

Tune in the day after WWE Elimination Chamber for a special address by WWE Chairman Mr. McMahon, WWE COO Triple H, WWE Executive Vice President Stephanie McMahon, WWE Champion The Rock and John Cena."

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:20 AM

Oh how I would love the WWE Network to come to fruition. I liked the possibility of some of their show idea's. And it's not like they lack content. They own the entire WCW Library and ECW Library. I'm quite sure alot of the WCW footage comes from the NWA era too.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

Why I think this will be a successful venture: The WWE has sole dominance over just about every major pro wrestling video library there is. Really, the only ones it doesn't have the rights to are the current companies currently being run, such as Ring of Honor and TNA. They could probably run every bit of video they own for years without repeating anything.

They already have a ton of pre-produced content for previous video/DVD releases, and they can be aired blur-free after a settlement with the original WWF.

It has the most potential of any venture the WWE has ever come up with.

What it needs to succeed: It needs to offer the PPV events at a huge discount to drive subscriptions. If a $15 price point is what it ends up being, I would find it hard to turn down as a wrestling fan, even a casual one who may not buy every PPV. Even at the SD rate of $45, buying every PPV in a year would cost around $500, not counting Wrestlemania which is a much higher price. If you could get someone to commit to every premium show in a calendar year, with the added bonus of programming the rest of the way, that's $180 per sub, plus WM's cost, it seems like a must buy.

Also, there would have to be a digital mirrored version. WWE MUST offer this not only for your provider, but at a premium cost, you must be able to access the channel on the go, PPV events included.

Just a quick, half-asleep opinion.




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