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#121 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

As a long time subscriber to The Wrestling Observer (don't laugh, it is an awesome business journal), what Hoosier205 says is right on the money.


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#122 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

Thanks. He knows.


Links?

Besides, how can I trust an anonymous someone who admits to being a long time reader of The Wrestling Observer? :)

Just kidding, but I couldn't resist Mr(?) Nash's admission. I realize that WWE is a big business and any industry can have good biz journals. :)

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#123 OFFLINE   Tom Robertson

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Thanks. He knows.


Hey, wait... I thought you said it was unknown? Now you say "he knows". So it is known? :grin:

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Links?

Besides, how can I trust an anonymous someone who admits to being a long time reader of The Wrestling Observer? :)

Just kidding, but I couldn't resist Mr(?) Nash's admission. I realize that WWE is a big business and any industry can have good biz journals. :)

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Google Dave Meltzer. The man is the guru of all things pro wrestling and MMA. As for links, all his stuff is behind a pay wall, which I would not violate. However, he has been covering the stop/start progress of the WWE Network since its inception, and Hoosier205's assertions mirror what Meltzer has reported.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Links?

Besides, how can I trust an anonymous someone who admits to being a long time reader of The Wrestling Observer? :)

Just kidding, but I couldn't resist Mr(?) Nash's admission. I realize that WWE is a big business and any industry can have good biz journals. :)

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#126 OFFLINE   Hoosier205

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

Hey, wait... I thought you said it was unknown? Now you say "he knows". So it is known? :grin:


Seems to be a bit beneath your position. :rolleyes:
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

http://tinyurl.com/bc4xmkm


Sorry, a link to searching google is not providing proof. A comment was made that information was posted, I can't find such, an apparently none was actually posted.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

Seems to be a bit beneath your position. :rolleyes:


Not if some humor might be found. :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:43 PM

Sorry, a link to searching google is not providing proof. A comment was made that information was posted, I can't find such, an apparently none was actually posted.

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Then you didn't check the link.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Google Dave Meltzer. The man is the guru of all things pro wrestling and MMA. As for links, all his stuff is behind a pay wall, which I would not violate. However, he has been covering the stop/start progress of the WWE Network since its inception, and Hoosier205's assertions mirror what Meltzer has reported.


Sorry, I'm not making the assertions. Thems that assert need to provide the evidence when asked, politely.

Now, I do understand that things are behind paywalls. And I very much appreciate that you are respecting that. Thank you.

Now my point is the "any" clause. I'm sure there weren't enough to make a launch, but do we know there were zero, nada, zip, none distributors making an agreement. Even a handshake agreement? Sure it is possibly true.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

Then you didn't check the link.


How is that "known"? :D

I checked. It came back with a google search, not a link to a source. Useless as proof.

Thems that make the assertions need to actually do their own homework.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Sorry, I'm not making the assertions. Thems that assert need to provide the evidence when asked, politely.

Now, I do understand that things are behind paywalls. And I very much appreciate that you are respecting that. Thank you.

Now my point is the "any" clause. I'm sure there weren't enough to make a launch, but do we know there were zero, nada, zip, none distributors making an agreement. Even a handshake agreement? Sure it is possibly true.

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Are you still seriously going down this road? As a Moderator, do you have absolutely nothing better to do than dwell on the implications of the use of the word "any?"

Subscribe to Meltzer's site. Do a back issue search. You'll see that no agreements were reached with ANY distributors.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

Folks, this thread is not a private conversation between two parties, it is an open discussion between all forum members about WWE.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

Thanks, Stuart. We've moved to PM.

Thanks, TJNASH, for your supporting information. I have another question which will be in another post in a second.

Thanks, Hoosier205, for being a passionate DBStalker.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

As with anything, it depends on the business model they choose. My recollection is that initially, the concept was an advertiser supported, general interest type network (heavy on the wrestling, and with original programming featuring the wrestlers.) This idea gained zero traction, and the "launch" date (never set in stone) of the day after Wrestlemania 28 was tabled.

Now we are hearing rumblings of a subscription based service which would include most of the monthly PPV's. If that is the case, it's all about the price point. I do know that the WWE OnDemand service never made them any money, but that was more nostalgia based. As to what the impact is of essentially giving away PPV cannibalizes the core WWE business, that is up to a wiser analyst than I to determine.

However, looking at the lack of success Vince McMahon has had outside of his wheelhouse (XFL, Movies,) entering into the network TV business could be a huge mistake. Or he could hit another home run, as he seems to do every 15 years or so.

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

As with anything, it depends on the business model they choose. My recollection is that initially, the concept was an advertiser supported, general interest type network (heavy on the wrestling, and with original programming featuring the wrestlers.) This idea gained zero traction, and the "launch" date (never set in stone) of the day after Wrestlemania 28 was tabled.

Now we are hearing rumblings of a subscription based service which would include most of the monthly PPV's. If that is the case, it's all about the price point. I do know that the WWE OnDemand service never made them any money, but that was more nostalgia based. As to what the impact is of essentially giving away PPV cannibalizes the core WWE business, that is up to a wiser analyst than I to determine.

However, looking at the lack of success Vince McMahon has had outside of his wheelhouse (XFL, Movies,) entering into the network TV business could be a huge mistake. Or he could hit another home run, as he seems to do every 15 years or so.

Am I right in guessing that WWE might be hoping to get more people who are able/willing to pay, say for example, $15/month than are able/willing to pay $50/event? That seems to be the point and certainly is a good business model to consider.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

TJNash (or anyone for that matter)

Do you or Mr. Meltzer have a feeling that WWE will be able to launch a re-tooled network? I have seen that WWE can have some big draws for the networks who carried their events from time to time. Is that enough to carry a whole network?

(And, if you don't mind my making fun of myself, I'm looking for opinions, critical thinking, feelings, etc. but I don't need proof.) :) :)

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IMO, the network would be successful if it's 10-15 dollars a month because they plan to include all but 2 PPV events with the subscription. If they can get Monday Night Raw from the USA network, that'd really drive up demand because their ratings are often near or at #1 for cable stations that night.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

Monday Night Raw is still the highest rated programs on cable on nights without MNF competition (or a week late season Jets game) and SmackDown is usually the highest rated show on Syfy.

But a full network is questionable. The real issue is will people come for their secondary shows since for the forseeable future their primary shows will remain on USA and Syfy. (Along with what will they air on the network while these shows are on) Along with the value for the channel alone compared to just paying for the PPVs you care about individually. Similar to Showtime where your subscription gets you their PPV Boxing and MMA events. Will the cable providers agree to something like $10 a month for all but 2 PPVs which are usually in the $40-$50 range since the providers usually get a 50% cut of the PPV buys from their subscribers.

When they moved back to USA in 2005, they couldn't even get their secondary shows like Heat (since replaced by Vintage Collection), Velocity (since replaced by ECW which was eventually replaced by NXT) and The WWE Experience picked up and their syndicated highlight shows like Afterburn and Bottom Line left syndication. (All of them are still produced internationally along with a few new shows like This Week in WWE) WGN America dumped the new version of Superstars after a year, and Syfy wouldn't pick up SmackDown, which lost its timeslot on The CW and later My Network TV (where many major affiliates pre-empted it on a regular basis for local sports), without dropping NXT. They put these shows on You Tube and WWE.com for a while, but they recently moved them all to Hulu Plus.

Internationally like on Sky Sports UK, on some days you can't go 2 hours without at least some WWE show airing on one of the 4 Sky Sports channels, and many PPVs also air on Sky Sports 1.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I say if its priced like hbo and them giving all but wrestlemaina free on there it would pay for its self if you only got the other big 3 and then one or two more ppv a year on average using today's pricing for wwe ppv
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