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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#2481 ONLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

Never. We are all in the same boat, we all want more HD. More HD, more HD, MORE HD! Opps sorry. :D


I am not familiar with this channel called More. Must be a spinoff since it is more. :)
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#2482 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:45 PM

Oh OK I guess I should have realized that's what they were doing. Makes sense to me now. So I guess it's mostly just a bandwidth issue then on DirecTV's end if they keep only the SD feed for the time being.


All providers are facing the issue... not just DirecTV.

It is a customer issue. They need the SD channels for the tons of SD only receivers out there. They are starting to provide some perks like UEFA and NASCAR in HD only to entice movement off SD only.


The current cropping practice shouldn't be an issue for SD customers as the picture wouldn't be windowboxed, but shown correctly as letterboxed or full-screen 4:3.

Wonder if there is any technical reason why they can't do widescreen SD and have the older boxes pillar box. Can they do that with a software update?


Too many manufacturers, too much hassle trying to explain to everybody why they would need to change a setting, etc., etc., etc...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

I am not familiar with this channel called More. Must be a spinoff since it is more. :)


More HD is the parent channel to MORE HD. :P

Edit: Oops I left out the illegitimate child more HD ;)
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:47 PM

I am not familiar with this channel called More. Must be a spinoff since it is more. :)


It is a spinoff of the channel Less.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:49 PM

It is a spinoff of the channel Less.


I thought Less is More? :confused:
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:55 PM

Too many manufacturers, too much hassle trying to explain to everybody why they would need to change a setting, etc., etc., etc...

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I meant for directv to use it for SD channels. If their older hardware could do the letterboxing for a widescreen SD presentation, the PQ for the hd boxes would probably be better on those SD channels that they are now window boxing.

I don't give a fig about other systems.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:08 PM

I meant for directv to use it for SD channels. If their older hardware could do the letterboxing for a widescreen SD presentation, the PQ for the hd boxes would probably be better on those SD channels that they are now window boxing.


I suspect you mean if all the older hardware could crop the picture to 4:3, but yes, I knew what you meant, and it'd be nice, but my statements in my previous post make it unlikely.

I don't give a fig about other systems.


I didn't say you did. I was commenting on banditt76's post...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:09 PM

I thought Less is More? :confused:


Sounds like we just created an ad campaign and brand. Now we just need programming.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:10 PM

... Wonder if there is any technical reason why they can't do widescreen SD and have the older boxes pillar box. Can they do that with a software update?


... Too many manufacturers, too much hassle trying to explain to everybody why they would need to change a setting, etc., etc., etc...

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And I think more bandwidth would be needed too;

Because if you take DIRECTV's typical 4:3 SD resolution of only 480H x 480V pixels or less, and stretch out the 480H from 4:3 to a 16:9 AR, thats a 33% drop in horizontal resolution unless you increase the number of horizontal pixels by the same 33% or to around 642H.

Thus more SD bandwidth is required for that pixel increase.

So if you thinK DIRECTV SD channels look soft and blurry now at 4:3, stretching it's already poor resolution out to cover a larger 16:9 image grid will be even worse. :nono2:

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:12 PM

And I think more bandwidth would be needed too;

Because if you take DIRECTV's typical 4:3 SD resolution of only 480H x 480V pixels or less, and stretch out the 480H from 4:3 to a 16:9 AR, thats a 33% drop in horizontal resolution unless you increase the number of horizontal pixels by the same 33% or to around 642H.

Thus more SD bandwidth is required for that pixel increase.

So if you thinK DIRECTV SD channels look soft and blurry now at 4:3, stretching it's already poor resolution out to cover a larger 16:9 image grid will be even worse. :nono2:


OOH!!!

VERY GOOD POINT...

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:21 PM

And I think more bandwidth would be needed too;

Because if you take DIRECTV's typical 4:3 SD resolution of only 480H x 480V pixels or less, and stretch out the 480H from 4:3 to a 16:9 AR, thats a 33% drop in horizontal resolution unless you increase the number of horizontal pixels by the same 33% or to around 642H.

Thus more SD bandwidth is required for that pixel increase.

So if you thinK DIRECTV SD channels look soft and blurry now at 4:3, stretching it's already poor resolution out to cover a larger 16:9 image grid will be even worse. :nono2:


It would be done only on channels that are currently widow boxed and there is no HD on the system. Not talking about 300 channels. Just a select few. Not all channels are equal even now. It looks like to me, comparing SD from fios and directv that directv gives more bandwidth to channels they feel are important. As they go HD, you can steal some of that bandwidth back since SD televisions hardly care that much.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:24 PM

get back on hd anticipation.we not worry about sd . These so call xperts need to start their sd anticipation.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:30 PM

get back on hd anticipation.we not worry about sd . These so call xperts need to start their sd anticipation.


SD issues are part of HD anticipation. Many times the SD issues are what are holding up HD adoption.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

get back on hd anticipation.we not worry about sd . These so call xperts need to start their sd anticipation.


This thread has never stayed completely on topic by design. It is a pretty loose discussion.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:45 PM

It would be done only on channels that are currently widow boxed and there is no HD on the system. Not talking about 300 channels. Just a select few. Not all channels are equal even now. It looks like to me, comparing SD from fios and directv that directv gives more bandwidth to channels they feel are important. As they go HD, you can steal some of that bandwidth back since SD televisions hardly care that much.


But if an SD program is being broadcast by DIRECTV in 4:3 letterbox, which displays as a window-box image on a 16:9 HD set of course, they're not doing that to the picture are they? That's the content provider sending the feed to DIRECTV that way isn't it?

So how can DIRECTV create a 16:9 SD image of acceptable PQ from a letter-boxed 4:3 feed being sent to them by the source?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:49 PM

But if an SD program is being broadcast by DIRECTV in 4:3 letterbox, which displays as a window-box image on a 16:9 HD set of course, their not doing that to the picture are they? That's the content provider sending the feed to DIRECTV that way isn't it?

So how can DIRECTV create a 16:9 SD image of acceptable PQ from a letter-boxed 4:3 feed being sent to them by the source?


Several channels have stopped uplinking their SD feed to satellites... and DirecTV (and others) are doing what they do to local channels they provide in SD... namely cropping and downconverting to SD.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

Has Satellite Racer given any new hints since our latest Festivus?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:07 PM

No, The only channels that seem very likely right now are ION HD, Pac 12 networks national feed with some type of arrangement regarding the live feeds from the other 6 regional feeds, and finally Univision Deportes (may or may not make the HD feed of that one available). One would think by October the time Warner cable sportsnets from LA would be added as well along with CSN Houston.

Has Satellite Racer given any new hints since our latest Festivus?


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:18 PM

Has Satellite Racer given any new hints since our latest Festivus?


Technically, he gave no hints this last time. He just confirmed what was on Facebook.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:48 PM

I know people are getting tired of me talking about CW HD-DNS


Well, it's not a problem where I live, because our local CW is not a sub-channel to some other network affiliates main channel. I've actually learned quite a lot about the issue because of your posts.

I 100% agree that DirecTV customers deserve to have CW available to them in HD if at all possible. I just had no idea how much of a cluster-f*** that is across so much of the country, nor (still) how complicated that might be as a negotiating issue. CW, like any OTA network, needs their local affiliates. How much that complicates their ability to negotiate with D* on the issue, I don't know. Maybe considerably.

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