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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#751 OFFLINE   crawdad62

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:40 PM

Gunga Din? Oh crap, another timer to set! :)


Yep. Probably 70% of the programs I have DVR'ed are TCM movies. Now it's HD it'll fill up quicker.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

A pretty rotten Ben Gazarra prison movie is on now - why did our first day of TCM HD have to be Prison Day? - but the picture is great. It's a crisp B&W transfer. I also love the presentation. It's wide screen and almost exactly 16:9. I say almost exactly because TCM takes the picture up to the edge of the TV screen but not beyond it. There is a thin black frame around the whole picture. I love the fact we don't lose anything to over-scan.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

Oh well ...

Looks like a guide error apparently.

Old B&W film "Convicts 4" starring Ben Gazzara is currently airing and must be confused with the more modern film "Convicts" with Robert Duvall and James Earl Jones produced in 1991 which the guide is showing.

#754 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:17 PM

I can't speak for my less well-endowed brethren. . . but TCM in HD is making a very noticeable difference on my 60" HDTV. Far more than whoever offered "20% better" upstream. TCM has now gone from a channel I'd like to watch, to one I actually *will* watch.


Yeah, these past couple of weeks (well, not quite two weeks), I've found the channel to be very impressive for a channel that doesn't actually have any HD in it.

I've seen multiple films that while upconverted, looked almost HD due to the source quality, and I've seen multiple films that looked like they were upconverts from a mediocre DVD. Yet regardless of the picture quality of the films, I've found the channel to be a 200% increase in PQ here.

As for the 20%, I started to comment about adjusting television settings or glasses, but I decided to leave it alone.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

Great picture on 'Convicts 4' and I can't wait for the stuff tonight.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

TCM has now gone from a channel I'd like to watch, to one I actually *will* watch.


yup. for me, tcm sd was/is unwatchable. 4x3 movies chopped and zoomed to fill a 16x9 screen, resulting in partial beheadings and game winning basketball shots that are heard but not seen... ridiculous.

Having both of them (well, all three really) on Blu-ray, I'll be interested in seeing how RH and FP look on TCM-HD tonight upconverted.


i'm planning to record and compare tomorrow night's airing of polanski's "the fearless vampire killers" with the version i dvr'd off one of the premium movie channels a while back, just to see how drastic the drop-off is from a native 1080i broadcast to a 480i tcm source that's been upconverted.

i think it's important to point out that tcm hd shouldn't be seen as some sort of catch-all. in the hierarchy of options for seeing, say, john ford's "the searchers," if you have the means to watch it on blu-ray, then that's ideally the best way to see it (at least, in the comfort of your living room). failing that, a native 1080i (preferably one without a block of ads in the middle of it, *cough* mgmhd *cough*) broadcast from a channel that respects the original aspect ratio is your next best option, only then followed by tcm hd's upconversion of their 480i source.

while that may seem to some like i'm slagging off tcm hd, that's not at all the case -- as someone else pointed out earlier, the vast majority of the movies they show have yet to be mastered for 1080i broadcast or 1080p blu-ray. take, for instance, the (thoroughly welcomed, at least by me) generous helping of pre-code stanwycks airing tomorrow night. though we live in a time when releases such as milestone's mary pickford collection and carlotta's french blu-rays of three borzage silents are proving that damn near everything's on the table as far as what could one day turn up on blu-ray, i think it's pretty safe to say that tomorrow night's quartet of stanwyck flicks probably won't be making the leap anytime soon, and it's even less likely that any of them will be turning up on a premium movie channel (nestled snugly between the latest installment of the underworld franchise and an episode of weeds, perhaps?). in such instances, and especially if you're talking about pictures that never made it to dvd (or, ugh... dvd-r), then tcm hd is truly manna from heaven.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

We have a large-ish DVD/Blu-ray library here, but there are still a ton of old movies that I've heard of and either haven't seen, or haven't seen in decades, that I'd love to watch, but not quite so much as to fork out for a (preferably) Blu-ray or DVD.

Believe me, I did *try* to watch some of them on TCM SD a few times. It was hopeless. I just couldn't get past the jaggies, blurries, and artifacts. From what I've seen today, sampling, TCM HD *will* now get a vigorous work-out on my future DVR'ing schedule.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:59 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:05 PM

A pretty rotten Ben Gazarra prison movie is on now - why did our first day of TCM HD have to be Prison Day? - but the picture is great. It's a crisp B&W transfer. I also love the presentation. It's wide screen and almost exactly 16:9. I say almost exactly because TCM takes the picture up to the edge of the TV screen but not beyond it. There is a thin black frame around the whole picture. I love the fact we don't lose anything to over-scan.


Convicts 4 has a 1.85:1 aspect ratio. It is picture-boxed, but since it is nearly 16:9 that doesn't look so bad but it really should be letterboxed just a little bit.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:07 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?


Earlier this year, iTunes had an episode of "I Love Lucy" FREE for download. Displayed in 1080p on my 60' HDTV via an AppleTV, the PQ is gorgeous, and the compression used on the iTunes file is more than what you'd find on a HDTV channel or a potential Blu-ray!!

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:07 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?


It depends on the source quality, but it hopefully would look sharper (less bit-starved).

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:08 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?


Depends on what they take it from. If the original 35mm film is in good condition or has been restored, it would be a major upgrade. If they go from a tape copy, not so much.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:23 PM

Why does my favorite channel list always uncheck new HD channels even when I had the SD version on my favorite list before the HD one was added? You would think it would keep it in my favorite list since it was already there before the HD version was flipped on. It's pretty annoying to have to manually add them for one channel.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?


It will go from unwatchable to watchable.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:34 PM

As someone before said, the audio is much improved.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

Since you guys appear to be the experts on this, how much better will an original episode of the I Love Lucy show look in HD compared to SD?


Factors better. And you can see for yourself as she is on hallmark from 5-7 am ET every day. The quality is stunning. Looks new.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

I am a Dish subscriber, but I am very happy for y'all that Directv is now offering TCM in HD.

And for whoever mentioned that his DVR would fill up faster now that you have TCMHD, I feel your pain: Citizen Kane is on at 1 AM CDT (with Gregg Toland's magnificent cinematography)tonight, followed by the newly restored The Magnificent Ambersons (no unfortunately it's not Welles' lost cut, but IMO looks much better than before). You'll get John Ford's magnificent The Searchers (in VistaVision and Technicolor) at 6:45 AM CDT.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

Why does my favorite channel list always uncheck new HD channels even when I had the SD version on my favorite list before the HD one was added? You would think it would keep it in my favorite list since it was already there before the HD version was flipped on. It's pretty annoying to have to manually add them for one channel.


It would be nice programming but is is a different channel sharing the same number. That is why. If you do not hide SD channels, you see both and can pick what you want in your favorites.

If you have SD hidden, it disappears when the hd channel comes on and you don't see hd because it is not in your favorites.

They'd need some sort of trigger to tell the receiver to look for SD as a fav when hd starts or they'd have to force turn on all new hd (you don't want the latter. That's a disaster as we have already learned.$
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

Why does my favorite channel list always uncheck new HD channels even when I had the SD version on my favorite list before the HD one was added? You would think it would keep it in my favorite list since it was already there before the HD version was flipped on. It's pretty annoying to have to manually add them for one channel.


Agreed! Report it to DirecTV. IMO the Favorites system is broken. It should work as we expect...

If you have Channel X in SD on favorites and one day they add it in HD and it's on the SAME NUMBER... that SAME NUMBER in your favorites should tune the HD feed!

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

Factors better. And you can see for yourself as she is on hallmark from 5-7 am ET every day. The quality is stunning. Looks new.


Maybe it was just the episode, but I tuned in a couple of weeks ago when I battling insomnia, and I didn't think it looked that great. Looked like upconverted SD compared to the iTunes download. :confused:

I am a Dish subscriber, but I am very happy for y'all that Directv is now offering TCM in HD.

And for whoever mentioned that his DVR would fill up faster now that you have TCMHD, I've got bad news: Citizen Kane is on at 1 AM CDT (with Gregg Toland's magnificent cinematography)tonight, followed by the newly restored Magnificent Ambersons (no unfortunately it's not Welles' lost cut). You'll get John Ford's beautifully filmed The Searchers (in VistaVision and Technicolor) at 6:45 AM CDT.


HDNet Movies shows "The Searchers" quite often, so hopefully most people interested in that particular movie has seen it on there where it was actually in HD.

Personally, I own it on Blu-ray....

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:53 PM

Agreed! Report it to DirecTV. IMO the Favorites system is broken. It should work as we expect...

If you have Channel X in SD on favorites and one day they add it in HD and it's on the SAME NUMBER... that SAME NUMBER in your favorites should tune the HD feed!


Then we would have had people complaining when those who had NASA in their Favorites suddenly had Disney Jr. in their Favorites list.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:56 PM

Agreed! Report it to DirecTV. IMO the Favorites system is broken. It should work as we expect...

If you have Channel X in SD on favorites and one day they add it in HD and it's on the SAME NUMBER... that SAME NUMBER in your favorites should tune the HD feed!


It is not broken. 256 SD and 256 HD are two different channels. YOU get to decide how you want to see them or not in your guide.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:05 PM

Then we would have had people complaining when those who had NASA in their Favorites suddenly had Disney Jr. in their Favorites list.

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No, the same mechanism the system uses to pair SD and HD to work the "Hide SD Duplicates" would take effect. It knows that Disney Jr is not a duplicate of Nasa. There's some kind of source ID behind the number or some other network ID or something.

Here's a real life example of why this causes problems.... apparently on July 4th my market got a few new HD locals like Channel 69, an independent station. I had NO IDEA because I never subscribed to the local transponder changes threads by gct. (I DO NOW!!!). The only reason I found out is when all the Viacom channels took a dump. I changed the list to "All channels" to see what happened and voila saw some new HD locals like 69 IND, 44 IND, and 62 telemundo. Now 69 SD was in my favorites but when it switched to HD I never would of known to re-add it.

Thank goodness for Sixto's threads. I subscribe to them so I know when new HD's are added. Like when E!, TruTV or AMC were added in HD, they didn't automatically replace the SD versions in my favorites even though I have "Hide SD Duplicates" turned on. If I didn't visit DBSTalk (Like 99% of DirecTV customers DO NOT), I never would of known. That to me is broken.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

It seems like some of the other HD additions automatically were added to the guide when the SD version had existed previously. But then, I am of an age where my memory occasionally fails me.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:28 PM

Wow! Forbidden Planet looks and sounds great!

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