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DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q3-12 Thread)


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#821 OFFLINE   jurples

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:40 PM

now that tcm hd's been added i'm, personally, happy as a clam.

the wife is keen to add h2, however. it seems that some of the shows she likes are now on that channel.

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#822 OFFLINE   maartena

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

Using that line of thinking, does anyone know when DirecTV's contract was last updated with Time Warner (TCM-HD & TruTV HD) or Comcast/NBC Universal (E! HD)?


Comcast and NBC negotiated separate contracts before their merger I think. For instance, Versus was owned by Comcast, G4 was owned by NBC Univeral, and I believe they both re-negotiated contracts separately in 2009 and 2010. Versus was dropped for a while, then returned, then G4 was dropped in 2010.

As far as I know, and to quote a famous Ferengi Rule of Acquisition: A contract is a contract is a contract. (Except with Ferengi), so they wouldn't have been able to drop G4 and/or Versus "out of the blue", they would have to wait till their contracts expired.

I can't find anything on Time Warner, partly because my searches (even with -cable in the search) get skewed with Time Warner Cable signing carriage agreements. They probably came to an agreement silently and the press wasn't interested. It's probably a footnote in one of their investor relation portfolios.
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#823 OFFLINE   Sixto

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:01 PM

Per today's Viacom deal, it's obvious that digital rights is key to any new deal most likely.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:37 PM

Per today's Viacom deal, it's obvious that digital rights is key to any new deal most likely.


Yes, and it softens the 20% increase over seven years as there's value added with those rights.
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#825 OFFLINE   Alan Gordon

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:44 PM

Comcast and NBC negotiated separate contracts before their merger I think. For instance, Versus was owned by Comcast, G4 was owned by NBC Univeral, and I believe they both re-negotiated contracts separately in 2009 and 2010. Versus was dropped for a while, then returned, then G4 was dropped in 2010.

As far as I know, and to quote a famous Ferengi Rule of Acquisition: A contract is a contract is a contract. (Except with Ferengi), so they wouldn't have been able to drop G4 and/or Versus "out of the blue", they would have to wait till their contracts expired.

I can't find anything on Time Warner, partly because my searches (even with -cable in the search) get skewed with Time Warner Cable signing carriage agreements. They probably came to an agreement silently and the press wasn't interested. It's probably a footnote in one of their investor relation portfolios.


So the question becomes...

When was E! HD negotiated?

Per today's Viacom deal, it's obvious that digital rights is key to any new deal most likely.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:15 PM

the wife is keen to add h2, however. it seems that some of the shows she likes are now on that channel.

I'd like to see H2 in HD also. Far as I'm concerned, they could switch their HD carriage from History to H2. IMHO, HD is wasted on History's current crap, er, reality programming.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:47 PM

I'd like to see H2 in HD also. Far as I'm concerned, they could switch their HD carriage from History to H2. IMHO, HD is wasted on History's current crap, er, reality programming.


If we got H2 in hd, theyd probably move the real history to H3. Or merge with Oprah and make H2O.

My only issue with H2 in hd is that the history channel folks love to streeeetch older documentaries.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:29 PM

I'd like to see H2 in HD also. Far as I'm concerned, they could switch their HD carriage from History to H2. IMHO, HD is wasted on History's current crap, er, reality programming.


Well, I like Pawn Stars in HD.

But, I will admit, there is a degree of unfairness in what they've done in switching their historical programming to H2, where many of us who loved it *too* can no longer see it in HD.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

Per today's Viacom deal, it's obvious that digital rights is key to any new deal most likely.


Very astute
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

My realistic bets are BBCA and H2.



Ever since HDnet rebranded, I wouldn't be surprised if this will surface.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:43 PM

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I think he was referring to the content similarities between MavTV and the former HDNet...

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:47 PM

Very astute


^ About the digital rights, yes.

As for high definition, do you think that if DirecTV were to add MTV2 HD, Nick Jr. HD, and TV Land HD, it may happen during the period of this new contract? (I haven't read anything about any of the trio's HD playing a role with this new agreement.)

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:10 AM

^ About the digital rights, yes.

As for high definition, do you think that if DirecTV were to add MTV2 HD, Nick Jr. HD, and TV Land HD, it may happen during the period of this new contract? (I haven't read anything about any of the trio's HD playing a role with this new agreement.)

Now that they have a deal, and it includes digital rights, it's probably more possible now then it was, with possibly the remaining factor just being where those channels appear on a bandwidth allocation priority list.

I'd guess that they know how much bandwidth is available between now and D14, know what HD channels they'd like to launch and in what priority, and once contracts get done they can decide on launch dates, whether it stays right on schedule, moves up, or waits for D14.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:20 AM

I really have to laugh about all of these people who want to see TVLand's 1950's tv shows in HD. Give me a break.

How about NatGeo Wild in HD? Showing that only in SD is a sin. Didn't Fox/Nat Geo renew with DTV a few months ago?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:33 AM

I really have to laugh about all of these people who want to see TVLand's 1950's tv shows in HD. Give me a break.

Have you watched TCM HD since it went live, mitchflorida? Even though much of their programming is 70 year old movies, and everything is upconverted from SD to HD so we aren't seeing any real HD transfers, the older movies look much better now. The change from an SD broadcast to an HD one exceeded my expectations.

No disagreement about NatGeo Wild, though. It should be in HD.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:39 AM

A simple up convert of SD to HD is a tremendous improvement due to the limited SD bandwidth. We talked in the past of just up converting SD for some channels, but it's not clear if they need rights to do that.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:53 AM

A simple up convert of SD to HD is a tremendous improvement due to the limited SD bandwidth. We talked in the past of just up converting SD for some channels, but it's not clear if they need rights to do that.


They could change selected SD channels to MPEG4 and give them more bandwidth and they would look pretty damned good, too.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

They could change selected SD channels to MPEG4 and give them more bandwidth and they would look pretty damned good, too.

Agreed.

We've talked about that too, for most people they would think it was HD-like. SD with lots of bandwidth, which is how DirecTV was 10-15 years ago was really good, not HD, but very good picture.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 08:29 AM

I have been reading this site for years and it is quite simple that you can sum up the current status as the following:

Directv negotiates long term deals with digital rights and HD access to channels. If they have digital rights right now, then you know that HD is available for them to add.

HD is limited based on technological and financial considerations. As a business, they decide after "acquiring" the rights when and if they will add it to the lineup. Again, if they have digital rights to a provider, then you know what HD is available.

Infrastructure creates a lag between acquiring the rights and executing it into the lineup.

Providers need wide distribution, therefore put pressure to be on low pay tiers. This is a way to leverage higher gross money. The higher selective tier the harder to make a money unless a high premium channel.

Directv does not want to ever be in short term deals or negotiating one channel that is popular. This limits their leverage as a very large provider. Also, digital rights is a great strategy to limit cutting the cord movement.

My WAG guess is that the premium for HD will disappear in these deals as they become comprehensive in nature. So true will be our bill when HD penetration reaches a threshold which is still in the distant horizon. Satteliteracer reminds us of our minority status in the big picture. The only rejoiner is that I am a high value customer with a bill that averages over $170 a month.

Anyway, I read Sixto because technology allows Directv to dribble out HD in the next 24-36 months. When the next sattelite is up, then they can grow the HD content beyond dribbling. In addition, they have a long term plan to make SD being able to use the HD feeds. When this happens all channels will be HD. That date will make this thread superfluous.

Thanks to satteliteracer for his posts:)

Edited by stoutman, 21 July 2012 - 01:16 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

What percentage of DTV's subscribers pay for HD?




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